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What's the purpose of using an app like Robinhood or Webull? I'm a novice at all this stuff so watching this week has been fascinating to me, to say the least. However, I do have a Fidelity account and can buy and sell whenever I want. Why the 3rd party app? And why hadn't anyone spoke of WSB on here before? I don't reddit but I would have loved to get in on this action a couple weeks ago.

I dont have either and only heard of webull yesterday. I think they are just like your fidelity app.

I have converted all my “banking” to Sofi. Mortgage, savings/checking, investment, CC, (and when I had.... refi’s school loan). All in one app. If I want to buy a stock, I move the cash over in one click, and then can instantly buy. Currently, there are no restrictions.

A few weeks ago, they announced they are going public through a SPAC merger, under ticker IPOE. So I immediately bought it. Today, that stock was up over 20%. There are several articles on it saying that is because the mass exodus of Robinhood users and them trying to find a new home. No clue if that is the real reason for today’s movement in “my” stock.
 

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That's kind of my experience with Fidelity app but I have all kinds of different accounts with different banks. Thanks for the tip on IPOE.
 

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A Barron’s article:

A little-known intermediary in the process of buying and selling equities forced Robinhood and other brokers to restrict trading in several securities on Thursday, including GameStop, AMC Entertainment, BlackBerry, and Nokia. All have been swept up in the WallStreetBets-fueled short-squeeze phenomenon and have seen intense volatility in recent days.

Theories abounded online about Robinhood -- a mobile-first, low-cost brokerage founded on the idea of expanding access to trading to more people -- being in league with the "men in suits" at hedge funds on the losing side of those trades. Politicians on Twitter from across the political spectrum condemned the broker's move. But Robinhood's provided reason that it needed to restrict trading in those stocks until it could increase its collateral with the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation, or DTCC, holds water.

Explaining that requires getting into a bit of market plumbing and elements of the trading process that usually don't get much attention.

When an investor orders their broker -- Robinhood or E*Trade, for example -- to buy or sell a security, the broker accepts the trade and sends it to an exchange like the New York Stock Exchange or the Nasdaq. The exchange then matches buyers with sellers, and from the investor's perspective, the transaction is as good as done. But there are still some mechanics that need to be worked out behind the scenes.

Investors may have noticed that the cash proceeds from selling a stock aren't immediately available to withdraw from their account after a trade is completed -- that usually takes a business day or two. Back in the day, that time was spent physically exchanging stock certificates between brokers. Today's trading volumes make that an impossible task. (Curious readers should learn about the 1960s Paperwork Crisis.)

Today, after a stock exchange completes a trade, it sends the information to the DTCC, which keeps track of brokers' books. The DTCC is a clearing house, an important part of the financial system. Clearing houses not only process and complete trades in an efficient manner, they help limit systemic risk. The clearing house promises to make good on all trades that happen regardless of what happens to an individual broker.

The DTCC is responsible for transferring ownership of the stock from the seller's broker to the buyer's broker -- and vice versa for the cash involved. Rather than doing that after every single one of the trillions of dollars of trades each day, the DTCC waits until it can net several trades into "one position per security, per client, per settlement date, " according to its website. The settlement date is the day when the cash and securities involved in a trade actually change hands.

At the settlement date, which falls two days after the investor places their trade, the seller's broker must deliver the stock being sold and the buyer's broker must provide the cash. The DTCC guarantees that the transfer will happen and eliminates the risk of a single broker going under rippling across the market.

In exchange, the DTCC collects a fee per trade and requires some collateral from the brokers to ensure they have the assets to complete the transaction. It's like putting a refundable deposit on a purchase that reduces the middleman's risk while the package is in the mail, with full payment due once it arrives. The DTCC's collateral requirements for brokers are calculated by a much more complex formula, based on the specific shares' notional value, volatility, and other variables.

For a relatively risk-free transaction -- in liquid, less volatile stocks like, say, Apple (AAPL) or Microsoft (MSFT) -- that collateral requirement could be around the order of 10% of the transaction value. For a stock like GameStopthis week, the DTCC's formula might spit out a collateral requirement several times higher than that because it takes on greater risk. That's because the DTCC could be on the hook to deliver an asset that's worth a materially different amount on the settlement date than the trade date if one of the brokers involved can't complete the transaction.

When traders are using margin to buy, the broker needs to come up with the cash on its own. And when there's a large imbalance between a broker's buy and sell orders for a given security, it doesn't net out as cleanly at the end of the day, meaning more collateral is required.

All of those factors applied to Robinhood and Gamestop on Thursday. The stock traded in a wide range from $112 to $438 on heavy volume, its users were predominantly placing buy orders for the shares, and many were using margin.

And those are the reasons the DTCC asked brokers for more collateral for each such trade. The clearing house didn't want to be caught with brokers not having the funds they need to settle. Therefore, Robinhood and others restricted buying on these highflying stocks until it could come up with enough cash to pay collateral. Robinhood allowed users to sell the stocks because the selling broker puts up the shares as collateral, not cash.

Since then, the brokerage has drawn down its credit lines at several banks and brought in $1 billion from existing investors to fund additional collateral requirements. On Friday, Robinhood reopened buying of Gamestop and other recently popular stocks.

The DTCC says it processes trillions of dollars of transactions a day, including equities, bonds, mutual funds, and derivatives. It said that collateral requirements for all of its broker clients were $33.5 billion on Thursday, up from $26 billion the day before.
 

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I dont have either and only heard of webull yesterday. I think they are just like your fidelity app.

I have converted all my “banking” to Sofi. Mortgage, savings/checking, investment, CC, (and when I had.... refi’s school loan). All in one app. If I want to buy a stock, I move the cash over in one click, and then can instantly buy. Currently, there are no restrictions.

A few weeks ago, they announced they are going public through a SPAC merger, under ticker IPOE. So I immediately bought it. Today, that stock was up over 20%. There are several articles on it saying that is because the mass exodus of Robinhood users and them trying to find a new home. No clue if that is the real reason for today’s movement in “my” stock.
Trades are FREE... because they sell your data, in real time, to.... hedge funds/institutional investors
 

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This is interesting. I have some NAKD and it's had a wild two day swing - it was up 90+% early yesterday and closed near it's opening...then today it opened over 50%, finishing up 18%.
 

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A small section of another article I read this morning:


As for the market, it has been needing a rest -- and it will probably get one. One of the side effects of the short squeeze is that it has forced hedge funds to sell the stocks that they own to be able to cover their shorts. That includes ones like Apple and Facebook (FB), which dropped 5.1% and 5.9% this past week, respectively, despite strong earnings reports. The heightened market volatility also forces some funds to reduce their long holdings as a way to reduce risk.

Though the chances are small, the possibility of contagion is real. And if nothing else, it will force investors to reconsider what they hold and what they want to own for the long term. "We fully expect this kind of pullback will be a healthy buying opportunity," says BTIG strategist Julian Emanuel. "Ringing out some of this speculation is likely to be a positive."

The pullback comes right on schedule. This February is the second month of the presidential cycle, and it's usually quite terrible, with the market averaging a 1.1% drop. Every sector has averaged a loss during the second month of the presidential cycle. It isn't that every February is bad -- returns were positive 12 times out of 23 -- it just tends to be that way. "You should NOT assume that February of 2021 is 'doomed' to be a bad month for stocks," writes Sundial Capital Research's Jay Kaeppel. "What you DO need to recognize is that when Month 2 is 'Good' it is OK. And when Month 2 is bad it is often very bad."

Hang on to your hats.
 

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PS In case Mr. La Paz, is reading, "all cash" is in reference to market holdings, not 100% of their assets.
Yeah, that's what I would have expected.

In the other case you are alluding to, I think most people would assume that 100% in his initial position meant 100% in his initial position.

Your kind words in the chat box:

He's still holding his initial position which was 50,000 shares from day one at $14.95

by all in, even a child knew I meant his entire initial position, he hasn't sold off anything.

Of course there are some things there that don't add up, like where the $13 million in cash came from.

So here's a snapshot of his position 30 days ago on December 31:

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You'll note it's totally different than his current position. Maybe you knew he started with 50,000 dollars and you saw 50,000 shares and assumed that was his initial position. Or maybe to you, "his initial position from day one" means the position he bought a month ago with a quarter of the $3 million he made trading gme over the previous months. I know, semantics right?
 

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Ever notice how in history sometimes all it takes is one event to f vck everything up for a long time....some may see a dip here but IMO it will be the start of a crater. The last round of stimulus didn't even move the needle and the next although bigger won't even recoup the losses from this debacle....aside from metals and crypto the stock market will be an exercise in futility for months on end....good luck traders.
 

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A small section of another article I read this morning:


As for the market, it has been needing a rest -- and it will probably get one. One of the side effects of the short squeeze is that it has forced hedge funds to sell the stocks that they own to be able to cover their shorts. That includes ones like Apple and Facebook (FB), which dropped 5.1% and 5.9% this past week, respectively, despite strong earnings reports. The heightened market volatility also forces some funds to reduce their long holdings as a way to reduce risk.

Though the chances are small, the possibility of contagion is real. And if nothing else, it will force investors to reconsider what they hold and what they want to own for the long term. "We fully expect this kind of pullback will be a healthy buying opportunity," says BTIG strategist Julian Emanuel. "Ringing out some of this speculation is likely to be a positive."

The pullback comes right on schedule. This February is the second month of the presidential cycle, and it's usually quite terrible, with the market averaging a 1.1% drop. Every sector has averaged a loss during the second month of the presidential cycle. It isn't that every February is bad -- returns were positive 12 times out of 23 -- it just tends to be that way. "You should NOT assume that February of 2021 is 'doomed' to be a bad month for stocks," writes Sundial Capital Research's Jay Kaeppel. "What you DO need to recognize is that when Month 2 is 'Good' it is OK. And when Month 2 is bad it is often very bad."

Hang on to your hats.

To me, that in bold is the beauty of this whole situation. For those who may be younger, like to take bigger risks or just enjoy daily swings, the action is there in numerous stocks. In my younger days I loved that.

But now that I am older and trying to have my money work for me, to be able to see what I consider a lot more "sleep at night" type stocks having to be sold in order for others to either close out or continue to hold and fund their shorts, the opportunities are there for all types. I am not saying that I have or have not bought the names of those stocks mentioned in the quote, but there are plenty of names out there that can be had at lower prices than a week ago, offer a dividend that is much greater than the 30 year Treasury, and are relatively safe companies that either maintain or increase their dividend annually. Granted there is a risk that the stock price will go down but there is also a chance the stock price will go up. So for any of the older, retired types looking to add to their income stream, take a look around and you might find a few goodies.
 

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now that shorts are back in the news,

why didn't it make the news about those who placed all those shorts on those airline stocks right before 9-11 ... :whistle:
 

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FWIW - I'm not, but two people I follow closely are now all cash except for their crypto and precious metals. Both feel like something very weird is going on. Both still see nothing but up going forward, but they don't like what's happening right now AT ALL.

PS In case Mr. La Paz, is reading, "all cash" is in reference to market holdings, not 100% of their assets.

i have planned to move my 401k out of the market sometime mid summer. I figured that would be a safe zone, but I've been wondering about moving that up, way up.
 

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i have planned to move my 401k out of the market sometime mid summer. I figured that would be a safe zone, but I've been wondering about moving that up, way up.
If you think it’s time to become more secure, then it’s time to become more secure.

Consider any gain you may lose out on as the cost of a clear and stress free mind. Can’t put a price on that.
 

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I had an interesting conversation today and am having another one tomorrow morning... Did you say that just randomly (but obviously in correct context), or did you say it deliberately and likely in the context it was discussed in the conversation I had today?
 

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