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Those wins came before he let the defense become the garbage it has become. There is no denying that Mullen improved the offensive production, which really was a dumpster fire when he took over so it wasn't like it was a huge undertaking,...
The offense was 60ish, 50ish, then 3rd in SEC last year. Want to bet it goes back to Mullen Normal 50-70th next year?
 

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Those wins came before he let the defense become the garbage it has become. There is no denying that Mullen improved the offensive production, which really was a dumpster fire when he took over so it wasn't like it was a huge undertaking, but, he had the luxury of relying on a decent freaking defense given to him by previous staff. Now, we find ourselves in the exact opposite scenario that is yielding the exact same results: from dumpster fire offense with good defense to good offense to dumpster fire defense. Other than that, nothing really has changed...we pay top dollar for the same sh!t we had before just packaged differently. And we just gave it a raise.

Excellent post. You're exactly correct. I've said before, unbalanced football is unbalanced football. We just went from hating 17-10 losses to hating 52-45 losses. I will say, the latter is more pleasurable to watch. But it's still equally frustrating to think what could've been.

That said, I think this is the year that Mullen has to change that perception that he's allowed the defense to slip beyond repair. Most defenses were bad last season, so as bad as we looked, we weren't alone. If it happens again this year, he's toast because it completely validates the argument that he was simply being bailed out by the defensive talent that carried over. There's no do-overs after your fourth season, especially with a DC that was unpopular from the start. Last year was Mullen's team, but Covid affected everyone. This season, this is entirely him. If we fall on our face, he's gone very soon, regardless of what raise we just gave him.
 

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The offense was 60ish, 50ish, then 3rd in SEC last year. Want to bet it goes back to Mullen Normal 50-70th next year?

Man, I dont know what it is going to do nor do want to wager on it. But, it improved. Do I like the style? No. Do I think he got lucky with Franks breaking a leg and Emory being banged up forcing him to put Trask in? Yes. But it is what it is and it doesn't change based on what it will become. Credit goes where credit goes and that applies evenly for the crap on the D side of the ball. While he improved the offense he also let the defense got to total crap. He isn't an offensive coordinator anymore so he needs to stop getting credit for turning the offense around all the while ignoring the fact that the defense has gone to absolute garbage.
 

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Excellent post. You're exactly correct. I've said before, unbalanced football is unbalanced football. We just went from hating 17-10 losses to hating 52-45 losses. I will say, the latter is more pleasurable to watch. But it's still equally frustrating to think what could've been.

That said, I think this is the year that Mullen has to change that perception that he's allowed the defense to slip beyond repair. Most defenses were bad last season, so as bad as we looked, we weren't alone. If it happens again this year, he's toast because it completely validates the argument that he was simply being bailed out by the defensive talent that carried over. There's no do-overs after your fourth season, especially with a DC that was unpopular from the start. Last year was Mullen's team, but Covid affected everyone. This season, this is entirely him. If we fall on our face, he's gone very soon, regardless of what raise we just gave him.

If we take our 2018 defense and pair it with our 2020 offense...I promise we beat 2019 LSU by a couple TDs and this year's bama by 3-4 TDs. That's how annoying this is.

EDIT: and dump Grantham obviously

EDIT EDIT: The defense will improve this year because there is no way it can be worse. Plus, he has cupcakes back on the schedule. He beefed up the DL using the portal but that only helped him out for this season.
 
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Stop making excuses. FWIW or not.
I realize how difficult it is for you to not be irrational on this subject, but I expressed no opinion one way or the other; I simply stated a fact. And it was in response to Durty’s comment. No more, no less. Despite your assertions, I am not a CDM apologist. At one time I was hopeful, but that ended a while ago. Feel free to show us one of my posts that says different.
 

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He does have the advantage of having the weakest SEC East, weakest FSU and weakest overall schedule in the last 50 years.
This is key and the biggest problem I see with Mullen. We could/should literally put our foot on our in state rivals throats(I know we don't play UM every year but we damned sure recruit against them). The way I see it DM thinks he's going to get by with stringing together a bunch of 8 or 9 win seasons here and be forgiven for sh!tting the bed with 2 or 3 head scratchers and a so close game or 2 every year. All the while thinking he won't be fired because of his winning pct which is compiled against short bus competition, is high....almost like a modern day Joe Pa who if he's allowed to hang around for 30 years might just win 1 title if all the stars and moon align perfectly. Someone needs to tell him all that sh!t ended about 10-12 years ago.
 

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Excellent post. You're exactly correct. I've said before, unbalanced football is unbalanced football. We just went from hating 17-10 losses to hating 52-45 losses. I will say, the latter is more pleasurable to watch. But it's still equally frustrating to think what could've been.

That said, I think this is the year that Mullen has to change that perception that he's allowed the defense to slip beyond repair. Most defenses were bad last season, so as bad as we looked, we weren't alone. If it happens again this year, he's toast because it completely validates the argument that he was simply being bailed out by the defensive talent that carried over. There's no do-overs after your fourth season, especially with a DC that was unpopular from the start. Last year was Mullen's team, but Covid affected everyone. This season, this is entirely him. If we fall on our face, he's gone very soon, regardless of what raise we just gave him.
I agree that's what has to happen for Mullen to salvage his reputation, and wish I could agree that he'll be "gone very soon" if it doesn't happen, but I believe our administration is content to have a mediocre football program and may even prefer it over being a perennial CFP contender.
 

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but I believe our administration is content to have a mediocre football program and may even prefer it over being a perennial CFP contender.

I do too but I cant understand why. We should always be top 3 in the nation and there is no excuse not to be.
 

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I believe our administration is content to have a mediocre football program and may even prefer it over being a perennial CFP contender.
Zook and Chimp didnt get fired bc the AD wanted it. They got fired bc the alums demanded it.
 

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Zook and Chimp didnt get fired bc the AD wanted it. They got fired bc the alums demanded it.

Stop buying Tickets...Tell the Athletic Department you'll stop donating. DEMAND change...Why even watch a Coach who does not care?

We need the Bull Gators to demand change.

Fuchs does not need us...as Detroit points out...He goes for the Big $$$ and Big BIZ has gone WOKE.

BUT the AD is a different story...They need donations and viewership.
 

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We finish the season with three straight losses, so they extend his contact by three years and pay him millions more. I just don't get the logic or what they see in him unless the UAA truly is perfectly satisfied with being slightly above mediocre and not winning championships.

They just extended Mike White.

That should answer your question
 

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This is key and the biggest problem I see with Mullen. We could/should literally put our foot on our in state rivals throats(I know we don't play UM every year but we damned sure recruit against them). The way I see it DM thinks he's going to get by with stringing together a bunch of 8 or 9 win seasons here and be forgiven for sh!tting the bed with 2 or 3 head scratchers and a so close game or 2 every year. All the while thinking he won't be fired because of his winning pct which is compiled against short bus competition, is high....almost like a modern day Joe Pa who if he's allowed to hang around for 30 years might just win 1 title if all the stars and moon align perfectly. Someone needs to tell him all that sh!t ended about 10-12 years ago.

Based on the extension and raise, it appears that Mullen is correct.
Apparently he can get by stringing together 8 and 9 win seasons.

We can all continue to b!tch about gator standard and all of that outdated crap but the reality is that the UAA has sent all of us a very clear message.

And then they doubled down by extending White.
 

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I do too but I cant understand why. We should always be top 3 in the nation and there is no excuse not to be.
Because Fuchs & Co. want UF to be regarded as an elite academic institution, not a good-time, football-loving party school. They think Alabama is a joke. To them, Stanford is the gold standard -- known primarily for academics, with athletic programs that are competitive enough to be respectable but not so dominant as to be any kind of distraction.
Zook and Chimp didnt get fired bc the AD wanted it. They got fired bc the alums demanded it.
The alums don't have as much sway as they once did. Especially the older ones, who graduated when football was king at UF. The current Admin considers those to be dark days in our history. They never want to go back to that, and regard those who do as deplorable neanderthals.

UF now produces exponentially more graduates than it did back in the day. The Alumni Association is following the Admin's lead and focusing their development outreach efforts on the broader pool of more recent graduates who are much less football-focused than the older ones.

The "elite kids" who graduate these days tend to side with the Admin on this. Being younger and still competing in the job market, they think they stand more to gain from prospective employers looking at the UF degree on their resume and thinking of a school like Stanford, not a school like Alabama. Whereas older graduates who are already established don't care about that as much.
 

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There is no requirement that a good academic institution (#30!!!!!) cant also be a great football school.

And we continue to sign some highly questionable kids, they just are highly questionable kids who arent talented either.
 

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There is no requirement that a good academic institution (#30!!!!!) cant also be a great football school.
Are you sure about that? There's obviously not a formal requirement, but there seems to be an unwritten one in place.

Here are the current university rankings from US News, which is considered the go-to measure on that, whether you agree with it or not.

As you mentioned, we are currently ranked #30 (in a 3-way tie with Tufts University and UC Santa Barbara).

So first, keep in mind that Fuchs & Co. have their sights set on climbing even higher than that.

But second, even if we continue to hover around the #30 mark, take a look at that list and tell me when was the last time a school ranked higher than us won a national championship in football.
 

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And jawja is 47 and 15 in public Universities. Thankfully that means they can’t have facilities either. Not to mention the dang buckeyes.......
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