NCAA Playoff Expansion
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It's not that complicated but the powers that be will probably fuk it up. 8 teams, 5 power 5 champs, 3 at large, one guaranteed to group of 5 each year. I'd make a stipulation that they have to have a team ranked in the top 10, but that would be most years. So 2 at large to the highest ranked non-conf champs, technically you could get 2 group of 5 teams in although it would virtually never happen.
No one cares if you stnuc complain "the pac 12 champ has 2 loses". Doesn't fuking matter, all the power 5 conf champs are in every year, win your conference, you get in period. Since your odds drop like a GD rock if you don't win your conference with only 2 at large spots, the idea that it will make the regular season (conference) games less significant is asinine.
No one cares if you stnuc complain "the pac 12 champ has 2 loses". Doesn't fuking matter, all the power 5 conf champs are in every year, win your conference, you get in period. Since your odds drop like a GD rock if you don't win your conference with only 2 at large spots, the idea that it will make the regular season (conference) games less significant is asinine.
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- Jun 12, 2014
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It's a bad thing in the current scenario and the BCS as well. Go into the Championship game with one loss, get your second loss... and you're out.
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It does not matter who would have been selected last year because we had what we had. Going forward the 4 (or 6) at large teams will be selected by the criteria the powers decide it will be. I already explained why I do not think it makes the CCG meaningless as winning it is the only guaranteed spot in the playoff's. If it's 12 teams it also gives the top four champions a first round bye.
In 2009 UF was undefeated and ranked #1 going into the CCG against Bama. We lost! If we had 8 or 12 teams in a post season playoff in 2009 we would have rightly qualified and maybe won the whole thing. Like I said we disagree on this point.
- Jun 19, 2014
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No, actually, this is about your proposal which will lead to meaningless games nobody will watch in person or on tv.
As for opted out meaningless bowl games, you're making a straw man argument. I'm not interested in those either.
You want meaningful bowls without opt outs? We already play those in the preseason. They're great (unless you won the Fulmer Cup and have a bunch of arrests/suspensions for game one). This season we have Bama-Miami in Atlanta, Stanford-K-State in JerryWorld, and Klimpson-UGA somewhere (maybe more). Another advantage of having them in week 0 or week 1 is you can play them in northern towns too and not worry about the weather.
An expanded playoff ruins the traditional post-season Bowls. They suck right now with only the top 4 teams out. Sure, you could incorporate them into the playoffs but how many times are Bammers and Suckeyes gonna travel? Say you're a Bama fan. First you're going to the SEC Championship Game in Atlanta. Then what? Travel to see Bama face Ball State or UAB in the first round? Travel again to see them play Northwestern or Indiana in the second round? Then finally travel again to play Klimpson or tOSU for the championship? How much money and how much free time do they have? That's 4 post-season games. I understand there is a labor shortage but Wal Mart and Jiffy Lube ain't paying that much.
Expand the pre-season bowls. Those games will matter. Ditch most of the post-season bowls. They are meaningless anyway. They should be true exhibitions and not count in the final rankings because of the opt-outs. That's what they used to be. Some of 'Bama's alleged championships came after getting blown out in their bowl game because bowl games didn't count.
Frankly, I'm not convinced we need more than 4 teams, but if we must expand, then I stand by the number 6. Reward 1 and 2 with a bye, reward 3 and 4 with a home game, and reward 5 and 6 with a chance. If you aren't in the top 6, you don't deserve a shot. I don't ever want to see a 3 loss national champion.
Alex.
- Sep 4, 2014
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But we weren't even the best team in our own conference. What claim do we have for a National Title shot? If you like the idea of teams being an at-large and making a run en route to a championship, you have all day Sunday for that.
And the flipside to that argument is that it would also mean we'd have potentially been playing '96 Nebraska, 2006 Usc or 2008 Texas. Also, as I mentioned, I can just about guarantee you that the noles would have at least one more title as they would've destroyed Michigan and Neb in '97 and our upset that night would've been as meaningless a their victory over our men's basketball team in 2007. It sounds good in theory, but it has a lot of downside as well.
I'm not a Bucs fan, but it was fun watching them catch their stride last season and win the SB. That's the NFL. It was also fun watching us become an absolute buzz saw in the post-OM stretch of 2008, where we knew we had zero margin for error and played with that understanding. That's college football.
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Nailed it. Sadly, it looks like the powers that be are determined to take all the juice out of CFB and turn it into just another entertainment option for generally disinterested fans.
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I doubt it. I still think the 12-team idea is just a negotiating tactic.
Before, the argument was between those who want to expand to eight teams vs. those who want to stick with four at the most, if not go back to two. Not a lot of room for compromise between those positions. A 6-team playoff? Haha! No.
But now, those in favor of expansion are pushing for 12 teams. As a result, the pertinacious Aspergers patients who were previously stuck at four are starting to warm up to the idea of expanding to eight. Because at least it's not as crazy as expanding to 12, right?
- Jun 9, 2014
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Neteng must really be a community college grad (UCF).
In a realy really good year,like 13-0 Marshall, could beat a 6-7 Ole Miss team. Who wasnt to see that ****? Just some fuchstards from geographic community colleges.
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Which is exactly why playoffs suck.
Hell, why not take the last two games in November off too?
They will, just like the NFL does.
It is amazing you mouthbreathing morons think this is a good idea, just to help our endless line of losing douchebag coaches.
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There is no downside to great and meaningful football games. Every sport, every division has a playoff EXCEPT D1 football which has a 4 team selected tournament. Eliminate the discussion, play a tournament based on merit. There will be at-large teams, get the **** over it, ND will see to it. It's OK, it's better, the players will like it and the fans will like it. The money generated will be insane as will the excitement.
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They arent great and meaningful. Who gives a fuchs about Memphis vs Alabama?
Or who wants to see Barn vs Bammer in Nov when Bammer wisely decides to rest its starters, just like the NFL does before the playoffs.
Trying to argue that this doesnt kill most of the regular season is inane.
It is total bullshyt spouted by participation trophy people.
Remember the pain we inflicted on Pauton Manning every year in September when we took away his SEC or National Title chances?
The other thing is that a longer drawn out playoff just feeds the Bammers and Ohio States. Could a Cinderella beat a better team once by being better prepared or wanting it more? Maybe. Is it going to happen three or four tines, no chance.
- Sep 4, 2014
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The excitement is already waning with just 4. How many people do you think actually cared to watch the inevitable, seemingly annual smashing of Notre Dame in round one last year? Alabama could’ve literally named the score. And as early as the Iron Bowl against their instate and biggest rival, they were already locked in to the playoff, rendering that game meaningless. The Iron Bowl. We didn’t even bother to field a team against Lsu, strategically thinking that somehow resting the best player in cfb was ok because we’d won the East. As Law said, late season NFL games where teams have clinched and have nothing to gain by playing, suck. Imagine taking your kid to see Brady or Mahomes and seeing a bunch of backups instead. Again, there’s a setting for that. It just isn’t college football.
As I said, the reality of a playoff over the last 40 years is that UF could theoretically—and not by much of a stretch—be sitting at less or even zero national titles, while the noles, canes and/or bulldogs could be sitting at several more. I’m glad we understood what it took to win the NC in the previous format(s), and am confident that if we do grasp that again—from the top down—we can once again do so in the current.
You seem angry already. Have we discussed the bench yet? I’m sorry, I have to know.
- Jun 12, 2014
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Tijuana it's not a good idea, but if this is how the NCAA decides to go... Which given the fountain of great ideas they have proven to be. It's going to happen ... Which is the basis of the conversation.
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I'd tell you to sober up but that won't do anything for your bad case of Mullinz Derangement Syndrome. Expanding the playoffs has nothing to do with him or the Gators. It's about making the whole sport of college football more interesting and competitive, and less stagnant.
I know, I know -- you're one of those I mentioned earlier who is fine with the same 5 or 6 teams being the only legit championship contenders every year. I would add, "except you want Florida to magically become one of those 5 or 6 teams," but in your case that's not true, is it? What you want is for 5-6 teams to continue dominating the league, and for Florida to continue NOT being one of them. Anything else would ruin your nonstop-b*tching-and-complaining schtick.
- Jun 11, 2014
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Bravo, GGG, F ing BRAVO. You hit the nail on the head on that one. Like x1000 if I could.
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I don't know why I was saying 5 or 6 teams, it's mainly just four teams. Bama, Clemson, tOSU and Oklahoma. With the exception of the first year of the CFP, when only two of them made it, those four teams have occupied three of the four playoff berths EVERY year. I'm tired of it.
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Some of you guys are hilarious.
what makes you think those same teams won’t be in the semi finals of this ridiculous expanded playoff? Do you really think Iowa St, Indiana, Miami or Danny Boys Gators will beat them in playoff games when they can’t beat them in the regular season?
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In my own infamous thread on playoff expansion a year or two ago, I mentioned a family joke about the time my Mom was eyeballing an electric waffle iron at a Service Merchandise store, and my Dad said, "what do we need a waffle maker for? We never eat waffles!"
That's what you guys remind me of when you say, "what do we need an eight team playoff for? There are never more than four championship-caliber teams!"
You're making the same mistake that every other knucklehead does whenever this topic comes up. You are taking the proposed idea and applying it to the present situation, when the whole point of the idea is to change the situation.
An eight-team playoff makes it a lot easier for coaches of teams other than those four perennial CFP teams to sell Blue Chip recruits on the allure of being part of the next top team. As it is now, with three of the four playoff berths all but guaranteed to go to the same four teams every year, there's no room for another top team to emerge.
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8 teams:
P5 champions - ensures no major conference champion is excluded
3 at-large - ensures a deserving 1-loss team, say #1 Bama lost to AU and missed the SECCG, still has a chance.
To quell the whining, make one of the 3 the top team outside the P5 as long as it’s top 10 or 15 or whatever. Then everyone has a legit shot.
Being a playoff team will carry some cache but won’t dilute the importance of championships.
P5 champions - ensures no major conference champion is excluded
3 at-large - ensures a deserving 1-loss team, say #1 Bama lost to AU and missed the SECCG, still has a chance.
To quell the whining, make one of the 3 the top team outside the P5 as long as it’s top 10 or 15 or whatever. Then everyone has a legit shot.
Being a playoff team will carry some cache but won’t dilute the importance of championships.
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