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Your consistency is admirable if nothing else.
First you proclai. that there's no possible way for a top 30 academic school to be a national champion caliber football team, although we could win through the 90s as number 34.
But then you pull the "maybe we can recruit better" because recruits would rather lose a playoff game than lose a bowl game
Started the weekend early, I see.
I didn't "proclaim" anything, I stated the FACT that no school ranked in the academic top 30 has won a national championship recently. I think the last one was USC. They don't look likely to get another one soon.
UF's administration is laser focused on earning an elite academic reputation. They downplay the importance of winning championships in football because they don't believe UF can be regarded as both an academic and a football powerhouse. If you want to convince them they're wrong, they'd ask you for an example. Who is widely seen as both an academic and football powerhouse?
The answer is, nobody. The closest one right now would be Notre Dame. I believe they're the only school in the US News Top 30 that has made the CFP field to date.
That's not a proclamation, it's a factual observation that pertains to Mullen. The point is, Fuchs & Co. are not going to fire him merely for failing to win a championship. Our current status as a second-tier team that hangs around the #10 ranking is more than satisfactory to them. They won't fire him, and if he quits they will not go for the home-run hire. They'll replace him with someone just as mediocre.
No matter what happens, playoff expansion or not, the UF administration does not want the UF football program to become a dominant power like Bama's, Clemson's or tOSU's is now.
There's no inconsistency between saying that, and also saying that I support expanding the playoffs because I believe it will lead to greater parity and less stagnation in the sport. I never said the whole idea is to benefit UF.
For those who don't want more parity in college football, we have different viewpoints and will never agree. If the only change you want to see is for the Gators to join that handful of elite, dominant teams that make the 4-team CFP every year, all I can say is, dream on. I'm like old Ray Charles on that one.
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Greatest defense evva!
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Let me get this straight...
Faux is being criticized for raising the university to elite academic status because that distracts from football.
They can’t possibly see the correlation to football success and alumni giving to the university or the fact that UF is among the very few programs that don’t cost the university a dime and regularly contributes millions.
Faux is being criticized for raising the university to elite academic status because that distracts from football.
They can’t possibly see the correlation to football success and alumni giving to the university or the fact that UF is among the very few programs that don’t cost the university a dime and regularly contributes millions.
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I agree that sounds like an absurd viewpoint. However, I think it's just another excuse to complain. There's gotta be a better approach that feeds both academics AND athletics...Let me get this straight...
Faux is being criticized for raising the university to elite academic status because that distracts from football.
They can’t possibly see the correlation to football success and alumni giving to the university or the fact that UF is among the very few programs that don’t cost the university a dime and regularly contributes millions.
One being maybe setting entry requirements that are more consistent with the other SEC schools. That was a friction point when SOS was the HBC, too. We now have an academic center for athletes. Use it to it's full potential.
Another is to recognize we have to stop diverting excessive funds from football to the non-revenue sports to the detriment of the golden goose.
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It’s not like Bama, OSU and Clemson are knuckle-draggers. We fall into a group with great academic state schools like Texas & Michigan that expect to compete on that highest tier but aren’t because we haven’t found that fit.
It’s a false correlation. The opposite is true. A great football program raises your profile with massive unpaid media, attracts students and boosts financial resources. UF has shot up the last 40 years because of 2 things: Bright Futures and football. I’d tag it back to Pell building the booster program, but the electricity we felt when SOS arrived - that we still feel - charged the whole system.
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Scott Carter is an uninformed A**hole
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He is indeed the valve - or sphincter - through which all Gator sports information flows. He is paid for PR, so expect nothing else.
They have effectively shut down all leaks, scoops, journalist relationships in the program etc. Not sure if that took hold under Myer or Muschamp, really the lockdown progressed across those years, but it has been thus ever since.
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The goal at UF in football should be to win the national championship. The whole drive to be number one in academics is based on false premises. It's a sham. It's mainly based on rankings by one over-the-hill magazine namely U.S, News which used to be widely know as U.S. News and World Report. Criteria are used in the rankings such as how many books are in your library, what percentage of alumni donate to the alumni fund etc. They will probably, if they haven't already done so, try to incorporate some type of diversity measurement into their false equation. We have a situation now where U.S. News tell you how good your school is in academics and university administrators try to manipulate the rankings by gaming the system.
Sure, UF is a very good academic school, but what does it mean it you are ranked 7th or 8th or 9th in national public universities? What separates number one from number 8 or 10 or even 15 in academics? If you rank universities in academics it should be in quartiles or tiers. A first tier school ranking would be definitely better than a fourth tier. Even that becomes problematic when say comparing a low first tier school to an upper second tier school but if you are going to have any kind of rankings you've got to draw a line somewhere.
If you are going to field teams in sports you should try to be the best you can be given your resources. UF has all the resources to be the best in football and it shouldn't be something they are ashamed of. At UF we should compete with the Bama's and the Clemson's and try to beat them at their own game.
When Stephen C. O'Connell, a Gator alum, was President of UF back in the late 1960s and early 1970s he had a phrase he used to declare his goal for UF: "First in the South; second to none in the nation." He meant that in academics, all sports, and football. There's no way any school can say they are really number one in academics. I've know Ivy League grads who were no better than grads of SEC public universities in their jobs. There is a way for a school to say they are number one in football and that it to win it on the field.
Sure, UF is a very good academic school, but what does it mean it you are ranked 7th or 8th or 9th in national public universities? What separates number one from number 8 or 10 or even 15 in academics? If you rank universities in academics it should be in quartiles or tiers. A first tier school ranking would be definitely better than a fourth tier. Even that becomes problematic when say comparing a low first tier school to an upper second tier school but if you are going to have any kind of rankings you've got to draw a line somewhere.
If you are going to field teams in sports you should try to be the best you can be given your resources. UF has all the resources to be the best in football and it shouldn't be something they are ashamed of. At UF we should compete with the Bama's and the Clemson's and try to beat them at their own game.
When Stephen C. O'Connell, a Gator alum, was President of UF back in the late 1960s and early 1970s he had a phrase he used to declare his goal for UF: "First in the South; second to none in the nation." He meant that in academics, all sports, and football. There's no way any school can say they are really number one in academics. I've know Ivy League grads who were no better than grads of SEC public universities in their jobs. There is a way for a school to say they are number one in football and that it to win it on the field.
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Steve O'Connell hired Doug dickey. Execution did not meet stated expectations.
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I think winning in the areas where our University competes is essential, sports are just the most evident areas. However, universities are academic institutions, not athletic development centers. Every student at a university should be able by aptitude and academic preparation to earn a degree in a real discipline (not sports administration, kinematics, general studies, racial disparity, gender choicism, etc.) Once a potential enrollee has been selected on academic merit, then the athletic teams can recruit from that cohort. If a young person wants to learn to play football or lacrosse as a profession, start a trade school or apprenticeship for them. Every NFL/HHL/WNBA aspirant shouldn't need to go to college. (See college scam thread(
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That's the point of view of you and a lot of other people. Fuchs doesn't give a Fuchs. It's not the view of him and his fellow egghead cronies who have a similar vision for UF.
They do not want UF spoken about in the same breath as pedestrian public universities like tOSU (US News Best Colleges #53), Clemson (#74), Oregon (#103), Oklahoma (#133) or God forbid Alabama (#143). We are Top 30 and they are shooting for Top 20.
The obvious question is, what does one thing have to do with the other? Why can't we have both, a reputation for excellence in academics and football?
What you have to understand is that as far as Fuchs & Co. are concerned, we DO have that reputation. If anything they are jealous that our +/- Top Ten football rep is higher than our Top 30 university rep. They wouldn't mind if it was the other way around.
But the point is, football-wise, they see no need to make a change, like most of us here do. They are fine with the standard Mullen is maintaining. They want us to be known as highly competitive (relatively speaking) but not a perpetual 4-team CFP contender like the schools I mentioned above, because they think that detracts from the overall brand image they want.
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lol yes it does not get more "barely Top 30" than a four-way tie for #30, with NYU, Tufts Univ. and UC Santa Barbara.
Top seven public, though. Yeeah, top seven public! Gotta watch Wapner. Quantas never crashes. Top seven public!
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Great news.....we'll be a shoe in once the field expands to the size of the NCAA BB tournament....
This is ludicrous and erodes the tradition and historic appeal of college football. The BCS never got it wrong and preserved both the importance of the major bowls and the fun of still having an argument with rival fans in the offseason. There will always be whiners who waltz through a short school bus schedule in the season and that's what bowl games like this should be for if they still meant anything..
Monty Grow lays out Darren Studstill - YouTube
This is ludicrous and erodes the tradition and historic appeal of college football. The BCS never got it wrong and preserved both the importance of the major bowls and the fun of still having an argument with rival fans in the offseason. There will always be whiners who waltz through a short school bus schedule in the season and that's what bowl games like this should be for if they still meant anything..
Monty Grow lays out Darren Studstill - YouTube
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I saw dickey's offense after Wes Chandler graduated. DM is putting an exponentially better product on the field. No championships, but at least it's more entertaining.
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You sure you don't mean Trask and Johnson put a better product on the field? I think we have to wait and see how much better true Mullen Ball is. I'm not expecting it to look much like the last 2 years.
