Who should Mullen's replacement be?

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And largely squanders it. In two games against what might be 4-loss, unranked teams when the season is over, he’s managed 4 total offensive TDs. We just tried having a DC coach win games 10-7, and hated it for 4 years. And honestly, outside of a lot of praise, and one SEC he backed into, what has he accomplished in his 5 years? His home loss to Usce in 2019 is no more excusable than a road game loss to Uk.

But again, it’s just not my preference. Would I be horrified at someone like Fickell or the guy from BC? No. I just think UF’s best years were when we could score 30+ against basically anyone. Defense will follow.

I don't disagree with Shart's offensive incompetence, but that does not necessarily translate to Venables. Also let us face it. Shart already has an SECCG ring under his belt, and was much closer and will remain much closer to a NC than Mullen ever was or will be. My point is your concern regarding recruiting offensive talent is not valid. Hopefully a guy like Venables recognizes the importance of getting the right pieces on offense, while being smart enough to stay in his lane.
 

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I don't disagree with Shart's offensive incompetence, but that does not necessarily translate to Venables. Also let us face it. Shart already has an SECCG ring under his belt, and was much closer and will remain much closer to a NC than Mullen ever was or will be. My point is your concern regarding recruiting offensive talent is not valid. Hopefully a guy like Venables recognizes the importance of getting the right pieces on offense, while being smart enough to stay in his lane.

Really the lack of importance placed on offenses was only a portion of my concern. He’d still need an OC, and OC’s simply don’t last. They either get fired or promoted, leaving a constant wake of changes in style, verbiage familiarity, etc. As I said, we had 5 DCs in 12 years under Spurrier. Nothing really changed much. If you have 5 OCs in 12 years, I feel like you’d constantly be playing ill suited players and hitting the portal to replace defectors. It’s just my preference, but I prefer to have a constant offensive identity that defenders are drawn to, not the other way around.
 

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At least he’s finally getting some real criticism.
Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Misery Index notebook: LSU is just mediocre, and Jimbo Fisher's agent robbed Texas A&M

College football misery: LSU mediocre; Jimbo Fisher's agent robbed A&M

I hate to say I told you so but before Cousin Eddie was hired at UF and when he was at Cowbell and even as OC at UF, I said he sukked dykk at game management. Bingo what did the article say? Cousin Eddie's rep as a great play caller does not outweigh his rep at being a poor game manager! It only took a decade + for this publication to come around.

99.9% on here knew Farmer Fran sukked and 100% on here knew that Dumbo's agent took the Faggies to the cleaners. But kudos to Dumbo and his agent!
 

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Really the lack of importance placed on offenses was only a portion of my concern. He’d still need an OC, and OC’s simply don’t last. They either get fired or promoted, leaving a constant wake of changes in style, verbiage familiarity, etc. As I said, we had 5 DCs in 12 years under Spurrier. Nothing really changed much. If you have 5 OCs in 12 years, I feel like you’d constantly be playing ill suited players and hitting the portal to replace defectors. It’s just my preference, but I prefer to have a constant offensive identity that defenders are drawn to, not the other way around.

I get it. At this moment honestly I feel having an elite recruiter is the number one priority. If that elite recruiter happened to be a great OC also then yes, I would prefer that. Satan goes through OC like trashbags and continues to perform well year on year due to the insane depth he is getting in the quality of his recruits. The same is starting to materialize with Kirby Shart. He got the best talent bags can buy and an average OC will win with what he got.
 

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This is going to take a top down total rebuild. And I mean starting with the AD actually emphasizing the sport that pays the bills.

Someone who demands topnotch recruiting and will create a 20-30 person support staff just like the competitors have.

And the same kind of support staff to scout opponents and make sure we show up at games looking like we've at least watched their game film, which currently isn't the case at all.
Right on target with your comments.
Last pre Covid numbers I saw for football only recruiting was UGA at 2.6M Bama 2.3M and our Gators at 1.1M
As you said the big difference is in the support staff and scouting resources available. UGA also has a President and AD who say that their primary goal is to win football championships. I can't recall Stricklin and Fuchs making that kind of statement.
We are always significantly behind in recruiting, and we are now heavily dependent on the transfer portal just to fill holes in our starting 22.
Looking at our 2022 class so far ,we are in big trouble again.
 

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Okay here is a thought. this is not an endorsement, but knowing how the average Gator fan thinks, most would like their head coach to have at least breathed the air, taken a shyt or picked his nose in the city limits. I don;t really care, but what about a guy like Dan Quinn? Sure Quinn rose to HC in the NFL and will be remembered as the HC of a team that lost a 4 score halftime lead in the Super Bowl. His Super bowl team had more talent both athletically and physically, yet somehow they blew a huge lead. Sure Quinn's OC got a lot of heat for his play calling in the 2nd half of that game, but Quinn was the HC. (funny that same OC is/was the HC of the 49ers and mismanaged late game play calling sequencing to allow the Chiefs to come back and win that SB). But Quinn was eventually fired and now is a well thought of DC in the NFL. Does Quinn have HC aspirations in the NFL? I am sure he does, but how is he thought of in that capacity? Perhaps he will carry the Wade Phillips tag of very good DC, but every time he gets a HC gig it never worked out. I am sure Quinn is paid handsomely as an NFL DC, but what about the offer of high 7 figs as HC at one of the largest Univ.'s in the SEC?????

Not an endorsement, just a thought. As we all know our admin seeks coaches from low level conferences with decent records or coaches from bigger conferences with shyt records.
 

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Okay here is a thought. this is not an endorsement, but knowing how the average Gator fan thinks, most would like their head coach to have at least breathed the air, taken a shyt or picked his nose in the city limits. I don;t really care, but what about a guy like Dan Quinn? Sure Quinn rose to HC in the NFL and will be remembered as the HC of a team that lost a 4 score halftime lead in the Super Bowl. His Super bowl team had more talent both athletically and physically, yet somehow they blew a huge lead. Sure Quinn's OC got a lot of heat for his play calling in the 2nd half of that game, but Quinn was the HC. (funny that same OC is/was the HC of the 49ers and mismanaged late game play calling sequencing to allow the Chiefs to come back and win that SB). But Quinn was eventually fired and now is a well thought of DC in the NFL. Does Quinn have HC aspirations in the NFL? I am sure he does, but how is he thought of in that capacity? Perhaps he will carry the Wade Phillips tag of very good DC, but every time he gets a HC gig it never worked out. I am sure Quinn is paid handsomely as an NFL DC, but what about the offer of high 7 figs as HC at one of the largest Univ.'s in the SEC?????

Not an endorsement, just a thought. As we all know our admin seeks coaches from low level conferences with decent records or coaches from bigger conferences with shyt records.

I'd take him in a heartbeat
 

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Okay here is a thought. this is not an endorsement, but knowing how the average Gator fan thinks, most would like their head coach to have at least breathed the air, taken a shyt or picked his nose in the city limits. I don;t really care, but what about a guy like Dan Quinn? Sure Quinn rose to HC in the NFL and will be remembered as the HC of a team that lost a 4 score halftime lead in the Super Bowl. His Super bowl team had more talent both athletically and physically, yet somehow they blew a huge lead. Sure Quinn's OC got a lot of heat for his play calling in the 2nd half of that game, but Quinn was the HC. (funny that same OC is/was the HC of the 49ers and mismanaged late game play calling sequencing to allow the Chiefs to come back and win that SB). But Quinn was eventually fired and now is a well thought of DC in the NFL. Does Quinn have HC aspirations in the NFL? I am sure he does, but how is he thought of in that capacity? Perhaps he will carry the Wade Phillips tag of very good DC, but every time he gets a HC gig it never worked out. I am sure Quinn is paid handsomely as an NFL DC, but what about the offer of high 7 figs as HC at one of the largest Univ.'s in the SEC?????

Not an endorsement, just a thought. As we all know our admin seeks coaches from low level conferences with decent records or coaches from bigger conferences with shyt records.

Quinn openly bemoaned the 365 nature of college football. He is a NFL guy through and through. He also has a very laidback demeanor, which, while works well in the NFL, will get him eaten alive on the college recruiting trail. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy and a helluva defensive mind, but he would be an awful choice for head coach here. Just my opinion of course.
 

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There’s at least a couple dozen posters on here that obviously think they’re qualified.
 

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Don't get the Cristobal love here. Guy just lost to a terrible Stanford team just yesterday. His loss is no better than Mullen's loss to Kentucky. If anything Kentucky is a much better team.

He might recruit better simply because of Nike money and facilities. Moving from Mullen to Cristobal feels like a lateral move to me.

I don’t get it either. The guy is average IMO. He’s had one good season there and he still managed to foul that up with a bad loss to an average Zona State squad. To boot, the Pac 10 has been really down during his tenure. No reason for him not t run the table against the schelps he plays every week, what with all the Phil Knight money & resources Oregon provides.
 

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Okay here is a thought. this is not an endorsement, but knowing how the average Gator fan thinks, most would like their head coach to have at least breathed the air, taken a shyt or picked his nose in the city limits. I don;t really care, but what about a guy like Dan Quinn? Sure Quinn rose to HC in the NFL and will be remembered as the HC of a team that lost a 4 score halftime lead in the Super Bowl. His Super bowl team had more talent both athletically and physically, yet somehow they blew a huge lead. Sure Quinn's OC got a lot of heat for his play calling in the 2nd half of that game, but Quinn was the HC. (funny that same OC is/was the HC of the 49ers and mismanaged late game play calling sequencing to allow the Chiefs to come back and win that SB). But Quinn was eventually fired and now is a well thought of DC in the NFL. Does Quinn have HC aspirations in the NFL? I am sure he does, but how is he thought of in that capacity? Perhaps he will carry the Wade Phillips tag of very good DC, but every time he gets a HC gig it never worked out. I am sure Quinn is paid handsomely as an NFL DC, but what about the offer of high 7 figs as HC at one of the largest Univ.'s in the SEC?????

Not an endorsement, just a thought. As we all know our admin seeks coaches from low level conferences with decent records or coaches from bigger conferences with shyt records.

Hell no! I lived through his bull shyt and his press conferences here in ATL. Atrocious.
 

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Agreed. My God he was 16-21 at Texas, remember how terrible his defenses were too there? Charlie would recruit better than Dan, but we ain't winning any championships with Charlie as head coach.
 
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