Bits & Pieces: Florida vs. Kentucky

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Ya'll have drawn me to the dark side...or the light...whatever. I been arguing with Gator friends wearing O&B glasses. They're like "He's a great coach".."Needs more time"...etc;
 

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Ya'll have drawn me to the dark side...or the light...whatever. I been arguing with Gator friends wearing O&B glasses. They're like "He's a great coach".."Needs more time"...etc;
yeah, it really takes 8 years to build a program.
 

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It was a crummy loss to a less talented team. Just like in '92 or '93 when we lost to Miss State or several other losses that seem like nothing goes your way (2001 loss to Tenn, 2008 Old Miss?). I am not saying Mullin is great but SOS had some stinker games and so did Urban, why it happens IDK maybe we expect too much out of a bunch of teenagers and 20 year olds.
 

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Cover, are you officially on the “fire Dan Mullen” bandwagon or are you not there yet? I don’t consider you a bomb thrower every time something doesn’t go right. Just curious if you’ve finally been pushed over the edge.
 

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It was a crummy loss to a less talented team. Just like in '92 or '93 when we lost to Miss State or several other losses that seem like nothing goes your way (2001 loss to Tenn, 2008 Old Miss?). I am not saying Mullin is great but SOS had some stinker games and so did Urban, why it happens IDK maybe we expect too much out of a bunch of teenagers and 20 year olds.

The 2001 Tenn team was ranked #5 going into that game and finished at #4.

Ole Miss was unranked at the time, but ended up finishing #15.

We should have won both, but both teams were at least respectable opponents. Kentucky is a weak team that will be lucky to finish in the top 25 this year with their weaknesses and there is zero reason to lose to them.

Moreover, SOS and Meyer might have had bad games and poor losses...but they were fortunately pretty rare. Mullen has at least one bad loss EVERY year. Therein lies the difference.
 

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Moreover, SOS and Meyer might have had bad games and poor losses...but they were fortunately pretty rare. Mullen has at least one bad loss EVERY year. Therein lies the difference.

I posted this question Sunday, are we really upset at the single loss, or are we upset because we aren't surprised by it?

The problem is the latter, because it shows exactly where we are... Kentucky (2018), Missouri (2018), LSU(2020) and Kentucky (2021) (UGA 2019 could be considered as well). Most of us said after Kentucky 2018, you only get so many bad losses as the HBC at UF, and he already had his first. How many more before the admin wakes up?
 

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I posted this question Sunday, are we really upset at the single loss, or are we upset because we aren't surprised by it?

The problem is the latter, because it shows exactly where we are... Kentucky (2018), Missouri (2018), LSU(2020) and Kentucky (2021) (UGA 2019 could be considered as well). Most of us said after Kentucky 2018, you only get so many bad losses as the HBC at UF, and he already had his first. How many more before the admin wakes up?
The word use to be "Clemsoning". Losing to a team you have no business losing to.

Are we close to changing this to Mullening?
 

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It was a crummy loss to a less talented team. Just like in '92 or '93 when we lost to Miss State or several other losses that seem like nothing goes your way (2001 loss to Tenn, 2008 Old Miss?). I am not saying Mullin is great but SOS had some stinker games and so did Urban, why it happens IDK maybe we expect too much out of a bunch of teenagers and 20 year olds.

You've seen me post about some of the forgotten bad under Spurrier at times, and also what I've deemed to be overly critical views on Mullen. The problem that keeps surfacing is his complete refusal to own the mistakes and address them. We are five years in, five games in, and will not be winning anything of consequence yet again. I'm not one of those that sees Uk as a team that you simply can't lose to because they're Uk. I do realize that things change and they're in better shape than usual. But we looked disinterested the whole game, literally killed one of our own possessions only up 3, and took no ownership of things afterward. Worst of all, there's little reason to think this will be an isolated event because we aren't recruiting superior athletes to them. So this will be a battle every year. He isn't committed to getting things to where they should be, and that leaves us little choice in the matter. I like what he's done in a few areas, but his time at UF is over.
 

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You've seen me post about some of the forgotten bad under Spurrier at times, and also what I've deemed to be overly critical views on Mullen. The problem that keeps surfacing is his complete refusal to own the mistakes and address them. We are five years in, five games in, and will not be winning anything of consequence yet again. I'm not one of those that sees Uk as a team that you simply can't lose to because they're Uk. I do realize that things change and they're in better shape than usual. But we looked disinterested the whole game, literally killed one of our own possessions only up 3, and took no ownership of things afterward. Worst of all, there's little reason to think this will be an isolated event because we aren't recruiting superior athletes to them. So this will be a battle every year. He isn't committed to getting things to where they should be, and that leaves us little choice in the matter. I like what he's done in a few areas, but his time at UF is over.

Dare we say his unprofessional manner in which he handles his job.
 

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It was a crummy loss to a less talented team. Just like in '92 or '93 when we lost to Miss State or several other losses that seem like nothing goes your way (2001 loss to Tenn, 2008 Old Miss?). I am not saying Mullin is great but SOS had some stinker games and so did Urban, why it happens IDK maybe we expect too much out of a bunch of teenagers and 20 year olds.

You would have a completely valid point if we didn't have the other Mullen issues:
1. Constant clock and game management issues
2. Recruiting issues
3. Leaving the best players on the bench
4. etc.
 

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You would have a completely valid point if we didn't have the other Mullen issues:
1. Constant clock and game management issues
2. Recruiting issues
3. Leaving the best players on the bench
4. etc.

I am just not ready to give up on Mullen to become Tennessee, Nebraska or some other also ran. Do you all really have faith that Stricklin won't hire the next Norvell, Diaz or Shark humper...just be careful what you wish for.
 

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Cover, are you officially on the “fire Dan Mullen” bandwagon or are you not there yet? I don’t consider you a bomb thrower every time something doesn’t go right. Just curious if you’ve finally been pushed over the edge.
I’m ready for a change, but the right change. By that I mean a coach that doesn’t just win games (and not bs about losses), but works hard in the off-season. Recruits his @ss off. Mullen might be the smartest guy in the room during the pressers, but he comes across as if he’s offended that anyone dare to question his gridiron acumen, particularly after a loss. Just because you’re well-paid doesn’t mean you can pull off Saban’s attitude with your own middling record. When you totally flop at the end of the season with a high octane team like last year, it all raises serious but valid questions about the trajectory of the program as well as your personal commitment.

The other part of the change involves the athletic administration who it would appear don’t prioritize excellence in the football program. Count me as one who thought Stricklin was a potential upgrade to Foley, but appears instead to be a dud who doesn't manage much at all and his three biggest hires are at best disappointing and at worst program killers.

I would be surprised if any positive changes happen soon, but status quo at the moment seems to have us going nowhere fast and it feels like we’re beginning the second decade of that pauper’s journey.
 

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I’m ready for a change, but the right change. By that I mean a coach that doesn’t just win games (and not bs about losses), but works hard in the off-season. Recruits his @ss off. Mullen might be the smartest guy in the room during the pressers, but he comes across as if he’s offended that anyone dare to question his gridiron acumen, particularly after a loss. Just because you’re well-paid doesn’t mean you can pull off Saban’s attitude with your own middling record. When you totally flop at the end of the season with a high octane team like last year, it all raises serious but valid questions about the trajectory of the program as well as your personal commitment.

The other part of the change involves the athletic administration who it would appear don’t prioritize excellence in the football program. Count me as one who thought Stricklin was a potential upgrade to Foley, but appears instead to be a dud who doesn't manage much at all and his three biggest hires are at best disappointing and at worst program killers.

I would be surprised if any positive changes happen soon, but status quo at the moment seems to have us going nowhere fast and it feels like we’re beginning the second decade of that pauper’s journey.

Here is a take that needs some thought: Foley is better than Strickland... proof:

Foley's first coaching search he was publicly humiliated twice and grabbed Zook because it was safe and there wasn't a lot of time before NSD. But broke him off after it was obvious he wasn't the guy in year 3.

Stricklin's first coaching search he was publicy humiliated twice and grabbed Mullen because it was safe and limited time before ESD. We are in year 4 and we have known for a while he wasn't they guy.

What's scary about that Foley followed that up with Meyer (with UF President Help), Chump, and Butters. What is Strickland going follow up with... Donk, Urg, and Sluggo... I mean what the hell.
 
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You've seen me post about some of the forgotten bad under Spurrier at times, and also what I've deemed to be overly critical views on Mullen. The problem that keeps surfacing is his complete refusal to own the mistakes and address them. We are five years in, five games in, and will not be winning anything of consequence yet again. I'm not one of those that sees Uk as a team that you simply can't lose to because they're Uk. I do realize that things change and they're in better shape than usual. But we looked disinterested the whole game, literally killed one of our own possessions only up 3, and took no ownership of things afterward. Worst of all, there's little reason to think this will be an isolated event because we aren't recruiting superior athletes to them. So this will be a battle every year. He isn't committed to getting things to where they should be, and that leaves us little choice in the matter. I like what he's done in a few areas, but his time at UF is over.
At this point I think his game is he's trying to get fired and walk off with an extra 20 million to add to the 25 or so Million he already has banked. The UAA's game should be threatening to fire him for cause and trying to negotiate a smaller buyout.
 

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I am just not ready to give up on Mullen to become Tennessee, Nebraska or some other also ran. Do you all really have faith that Stricklin won't hire the next NorveLLLL, Diaz or Shark humper...just be careful what you wish for.
He is 3-5 in his last 8 games and has gone complete shark-humper in his pressers. I'm not sure what you are trying to hold on to, but it would be virtually impossible to hire someone worse at this point.
 
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He is 3-5 in his last 8 games and has gone complete shark-humper in his pressers. I'm not sure what you are trying to hold on to, but it would be virtually impossible to have a hire someone worse at this point.
This. The same thing Butters used to do where you weren’t allowed to question him and he was shocked you didn’t shower him with praise for beating Vandy 9-7.
 

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