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soflagator · Oct 4, 2021

AugustaGator said:
TLDR
No you like to read into things.

My argument is against people that are now saying Dan is horrible when a couple weeks ago we were going to run the table etc.

I’m just keeping it real by saying he’s not as bad as the predecessors, and he stabilized the program and it’s trajectory…my position why he was hired…which can be debated/challenged. I have no proof just all other options were ruled out.

Anyone who thought he was going to win championships here were delusional. He’s a steady Eddie…a caretaker….and if another UK happens this year (team was not ready for the game) a poor one.

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Let me state it differently…Dan is not leaving us in worse shape than he arrived. The two before can’t say that.

I'm not certain that we're in worse shape, but I also don't see many areas he'd be leaving the program in markedly better shape either. As for the steady argument, I could agree with you until Saturday. I will admit that I go into most games with a lot more confidence that we'll ultimately win somehow, someway, more often than I did with the last two clowns(minus the middle stretch of 2015 when we still had WG). But the game Saturday shatters that perception. I'm supposed to be in Columbia next month for my first away game in a decade, but am suddenly rethinking that.

The bottomline, as I've said numerous times, we can't be an upper-middle tier team for very long with our schedule. We either take a step forward or fall. The combination of uga, Lsu, fsu, ut, plus the occasional crossover team, miami, etc. means that if we don't dominate in recruiting then we'll be looking up to 4-5 teams a year talent-wise, which doesn't work. Saturday was a perfect example. I don't put a ton of stock in jersey color or logos on the helmet. Uk is a considerably better team than they were for decades, and they should play us tough. The difference between close wins, like we saw with Zook, WM, JM and even Spurrier is that at the end of the day, talent won out. Mullen has elected to not put a premium on ensuring that's the case via recruiting, and has therefore put us in a position where teams like Uk aren't a step down in talent across the board. So between the mix of teams that rotate in being powers, and then throw in midlevel teams that are effectively on par with us and will occasionally have a good night, this becomes 8-4/7-5 very fast.

TheDouglas78 · Oct 4, 2021

soflagator said:
The difference between close wins, like we saw with Zook, WM, JM and even Spurrier is that at the end of the day, talent won out. .

Talent and coaching (outside of JM)... on any of the last what seemed like 15 plays in the red zone, did we line in a formation and you were not able to tell exactly where the ball was going. At least Zook hired a good OC (Fedora), Muschamp hired a good DC (Quinn), and Spurrier was his own excellent OC. Even my wife knew which play and who was getting the ball pre-snap. If she knew, sure as hell Kentucky knew. Are we really that much better coached than we have been the last decade? I used to say at least we have that, but outside of 2019 there isn't a whole lot that supports that argument.

soflagator · Oct 4, 2021

TheDouglas78 said:
Talent and coaching (outside of JM)... on any of the last what seemed like 15 plays in the red zone, did we line in a formation and you were not able to tell exactly where the ball was going. At least Zook hired a good OC (Fedora), Muschamp hired a good DC (Quinn), and Spurrier was his own excellent OC. Even my wife knew which play and who was getting the ball pre-snap. If she knew, sure as hell Kentucky knew. Are we really that much better coached than we have been the last decade? I used to say at least we have that, but outside of 2019 there isn't a whole lot that supports that argument.

I was saying this a few weeks back. Imagine if Mullen had done two things differently. One, hire a real DC from the beginning that could properly utilize the remaining defensive talent we had in 2019. And two, make the right call at QB in 2018 so that the next becomes Trask's second full season as a starter. That 2019 season could've been at least an SEC championship type year. The pieces, as incredible as it sounds, were there, and it was on off year for Saban too. That was our best chance at actually accomplishing something under Mullen, and two fairly obvious decisions derailed it.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 4, 2021

soflagator said:
I'mUk is a considerably better team than they were for decades, and they should play us tough.

They really aren't.

Their QB is basically Fitzgerald minus the running, they do have nifty RB, and they have one functional WR who basically did nothing all night. They aren't talent. They aren't even as talented as some of those Mumme teams with Tim Couch or the late even some of the Rich Brooks team (he was actually a pretty good coach).

The difference between close wins, like we saw with Zook, WM, JM and even Spurrier is that at the end of the day, talent won out. Mullen has elected to not put a premium on ensuring that's the case via recruiting...

In the end recruiting takes two things, a lot of effort and a lot of charisma.

Mullinz sadly has neither.

soflagator · Oct 4, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
They really aren't.

Their QB is basically Fitzgerald minus the running, they do have nifty RB, and they have one functional WR who basically did nothing all night. They aren't talent. They aren't even as talented as some of those Mumme teams with Tim Couch or the late even some of the Rich Brooks team (he was actually a pretty good coach).

In the end recruiting takes two things, a lot of effort and a lot of charisma.

Mullinz sadly has neither.

Yeah I almost mentioned some of those Brooks years as the exception. All I remember about the Mumme teams was us scoring 70. My point wasn't in any way justifying the loss, but rather pointing to the disparity in talent being at its smallest point. More about us than them. I do think they're a gritty team that is coached fairly well. But a solid UF program in year 4 of a regime shouldn't struggle or be in a game longer than a quarter or two. We aren't able to do that because of how we recruit.

Anyway, I thought your "loony" was about me possibly driving 5 hours to South Carolina to watch this team. :lol:

MissouriGator · Oct 4, 2021

The entire staff needs to be fired immediately. Losing to kentucky twice should never be acceptable under any circumstances.
This is another reason why the puzzy azz AD needs to be fired as well.

Throw the bank at Joe Brady, not later, but NOW. It's our only hope.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 4, 2021

soflagator said:
Yeah I almost mentioned some of those Brooks years as the exception. All I remember about the Mumme teams was us scoring 70. My point wasn't in any way justifying the loss, but rather pointing to the disparity in talent being at its smallest point. More about us than them. I do think they're a gritty team that is coached fairly well. But a solid UF program in year 4 of a regime shouldn't struggle or be in a game longer than a quarter or two. We aren't able to do that because of how we recruit.

Rich Brooks was underrated. I remember him killing us with just perfectly timed screen passes that always seemed to hit when we were blitzing. Much better coach than he is given credit for, I think.

Stoops is pretty solid on defense, but let's face it, Mullinz is incredible predictable especially when he is just running his "base offense" vs something he prepared specifically for a team. Stoops isn't particularly good against anyone else. I swear Mullinz just isn't watching game film or doesn't trust what he is getting from his QA staff and just running base most weeks instead.

Anyway, I thought your "loony" was about me possibly driving 5 hours to South Carolina to watch this team.

FireFoley · Oct 4, 2021

Even tho Farmer Fran is a horrendous head coach, he at least will do something Cousin Eddie will never do.

Orgeron: 'I'm responsible' for LSU's performance

Swamp Donkey · Oct 4, 2021

FireFoley said:
Even tho Farmer Fran is a horrendous head coach, he at least will do something Cousin Eddie will never do.

Orgeron: 'I'm responsible' for LSU's performance

Win a NC championship?

Win an SEC championship?

Hire good coordinators?

Beat Saban?

Recruit well?

Im sure I could go on all evening if I tried.

TheDouglas78 · Oct 5, 2021

soflagator said:
Yeah I almost mentioned some of those Brooks years as the exception. All I remember about the Mumme teams was us scoring 70. My point wasn't in any way justifying the loss, but rather pointing to the disparity in talent being at its smallest point. More about us than them. I do think they're a gritty team that is coached fairly well. But a solid UF program in year 4 of a regime shouldn't struggle or be in a game longer than a quarter or two. We aren't able to do that because of how we recruit.

Anyway, I thought your "loony" was about me possibly driving 5 hours to South Carolina to watch this team.

Stoops is a solid coach, I don't think he is an elite coach... but he is very solid.

Pablos Tunnel · Oct 5, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
Win a NC championship?

Win an SEC championship?

Hire good coordinators?

Beat Saban?

Recruit well?

Im sure I could go on all evening if I tried.

You can add that he is entertaining to watch versus our little Nervous Nellie.

BMF · Oct 5, 2021

This is mind blowing. Totally, totally, 100% outcoached!

g8tr72 · Oct 5, 2021

In his first 3 seasons at UF, Mullen's Gators were 4-7 against teams that finished the season ranked in the AP Top 25. Of those 4 wins, 2 were at neutral sites ('18 Mich, '20 UGA) and 2 were in the Swamp ('18 LSU, '19 AUB.) Of his total 29 wins at UF prior to 2021, 25 were against teams that finished the season with a losing record and/or were unranked in the final AP25 poll.

In the 2021 season, Mullen is 0-2 vs teams currently ranked in the AP25 and faces only one ranked team (UGA) to close out the season.

TheDouglas78 · Oct 5, 2021

g8tr72 said:
In his first 3 seasons at UF, Mullen's Gators were 4-7 against teams that finished the season ranked in the AP Top 25. Of those 4 wins, 2 were at neutral sites ('18 Mich, '20 UGA) and 2 were in the Swamp ('18 LSU, '19 AUB.) Of his total 29 wins at UF prior to 2021, 25 were against teams that finished the season with a losing record and/or were unranked in the final AP25 poll.

In the 2021 season, Mullen is 0-2 vs teams currently ranked in the AP25 and faces only one ranked team (UGA) to close out the season.

Hang on... we were told we shouldn't use the post season polls because they don't make Mullen's record look good, even though they were a more accurate view of the season.

AugustaGator · Oct 6, 2021

TheDouglas78 said:
I never said he was gong to run the table, again changing the narrative. This is all that needs to be said, further false equivalency to fit the narrative. I have been very consistent in my view of his unprofessionalism... and this isn't the first time we have had that conversation.

Because of his steller recruiting? You do realize 1/4 of the first two recruiting classes under Mullen didn't make fall camp. He is a dude with a very solid floor, but he isn't a championship coach. The next coach will still need at least two top 5 classes before competing, because of his lack of recruiting.

Not changing the narrative at all. Telling you the motivation why I’m speaking up. Week before everything is fine. Loses to UK then worse than McStain and Muskchump.

I don’t have the Halo effect. I remember how bad it was under both. From my perspective we have a better team and generally a more enjoyable watching game, excepting the UK game, but it was not worse than GA Southern.

TheDouglas78 · Oct 6, 2021

AugustaGator said:
Not changing the narrative at all. Telling you the motivation why I’m speaking up. Week before everything is fine. Loses to UK then worse than McStain and Muskchump.

I don’t have the Halo effect. I remember how bad it was under both. From my perspective we have a better team and generally a more enjoyable watching game, excepting the UK game, but it was not worse than GA Southern.

No one said worse. Just not marketly better. Sofla did a solid break down of that. We aren't recruiting better, we aren't game planning that much better. He had NFL talent when he walked in, and the program in the end is about the same when he leaves. He is a 2-4 loss coach. We are who he made us, which is basically the same team that Butters left us with. A team with pieces of NFL talented players, playing in a predictable system with poor coaching across the board not able to make the truly hard decisions and shots himself in the foot in front of the Mic when things aren't going well.

Durty South Swamp · Oct 6, 2021

If i have to read one more retard on this board use the "but hes better than butterchump" excuse one more time im going to lose it. IT DOESNT MATTER if he's better. They sucked. He sucks too. The fact that he might suck a little less in certain areas is not cause for retention BECAUSE.... wait for it... WAIT FOR IT....

HE SUCKS!!!

PERIOD.

TheDouglas78 · Oct 6, 2021

Durty South Swamp said:
If i have to read one more retard on this board use the "but hes better than butterchump" excuse one more time im going to lose it. IT DOESNT MATTER if he's better. They sucked. He sucks too. The fact that he might suck a little less in certain areas is not cause for retention BECAUSE.... wait for it... WAIT FOR IT....

HE SUCKS!!!

PERIOD.

Durty... don't you know... he just needs another year... needs to recruit better... just needs to restructure his staff... needs more commitment from the Admin (which is partially true)... He is the is a qb whisperer....

quit being so mean... I mean its like you have got these memorized after the last 3 years of excuses. We were hearing these even over the summer.

neteng · Oct 6, 2021

The most frustrating thing to me about this whole ordeal is the fact that we just lost to a team with less talent and it isn't the first time either. Yet Mullen continues to get the credit that he does more with less all the time. We have a QB, his QB, the one he picked from day 1 who has had the benefit of Mullen's tutelage for 3 years that is struggling to go through the progressions and looks like a freshman. Yet Mullen continues to get called the QB whisperer.

Those are a couple things that are very relevant to consider when you see or hear people talk about how we can only do worse than Mullen because just a couple weeks ago we almost beat bama. GTFOHWTBS! We are going to be 8-4 again this year (at best), 8-4 last year, 11-2 year before (Trask) and 10-3 Mullen's first season. With exception to UGA last season, there isn't a win over a more talented team yet. He hasn't developed a single QB at UF yet. Trask stepped onto the field against UK in 2019 ready to go and his development was because of being the starter. Jones is RS Fresh level developed. Franks did the best he could. AR...well, he was born with it.

Recruiting, well, surprise, pretty much looks exactly like our records thus far and nothing is changing this coming signing day either. Same same. This is year 4 so we are really now looking at year 6. The only glimmer of hope is AR but looking at our QB development thus far, not feeling good about that.

The program has plateaued at being a top 15 type of team and an argument can be made that it is in a slight retrograde.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 6, 2021

AugustaGator said:
Not changing the narrative at all. Telling you the motivation why I’m speaking up. Week before everything is fine. Loses to UK then worse than McStain and Muskchump.

I don’t have the Halo effect. I remember how bad it was under both. From my perspective we have a better team and generally a more enjoyable watching game, excepting the UK game, but it was not worse than GA Southern.

Youre a fuchsing idiot and dont understand a thing about football. I doubt you understand much about anything else.

Pitts, Toney, Swain, Cleveland,, 2 functional QBs, (though Mullen made them worse by running the option) a trio of decent RBs and other receivers... I dont know why receivers would want to play under Butters but they signed anyway.

Literally the only thing on the roster that is better under Douchebag Dan is the "running back/ quarterback hybrid " position., which likely wont exist when we hire a normal coach with a functional offense.

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