Why couldn’t we stop the same run play?

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Paying that fatt Basturd 2 million a year is like getting a thousand dollar hooker and Rosanne Barrs shows up.
But to answer your question Fat Todd is a position coach at best, simply put hes in over his head.
 

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Bullets only:

1. Grantham

2. Player decisions: we run two DTs (smaller but not as bad as before) and a WDE and an OLB/Rushbacker on the DL.

3. Recruiting: especially at linebacker. we've signed one inside linebacker in the last four classes, Hopper. The other LBs are edge players or safeties that we're trying to put weight on and trying to move them inside (which is a significant technique andnlearning process).

4. Position Coaching: we hired a graduate assistant (and a dwag). So far his resume (only three years) is that he's never put a functional set of linebackers on the field, and he's never developed an edge or safety into a functional inside linebacker.

5. Formation: We call it a 3-4 defense but it is a nickle 4-2 really. Its really rare when the Rush "Linebacker" does anything but line up with his hand in the dirt. Combined with our problem of size and you end up with 320 pound SEC lineman going against a 230 pound Rush End (Cox plays even smaller than his size) and a couple of 220ish pound Linebackers. It's never going to work.

6. Strategy: we purposely assign our lineman usually to one gap assignments, so they can rush the passer without having to first read run and maintain two gap integrity (basically the gap tomtheir left and right) as most defensive lineman especially defensive tackles are required to do. Linebackers then have the primary responsibility for the two open gaps (their are six gaps and only 4 DL).... which of course means the LBs have more trouble flowing/strafing/filling whatever to other locations AND guards are usually left free to climb to the second level and block, usually destroy, our linebackers. Also, playing a nickel corner instead of a third LB makes us very small in the box.

7. See #1.

That's my first answers off the top of my head.

The more detailed explanation would require me to explain what happens when you pull extra blockers and create extra gaps vs a defense. it's too late for that, and frankly I couldn't give you a college level answer anyway.

However, against Kentucky at times and mostly in the second half, we played 4 real DL WITH Moon and Cox at OLB at opposite ends of the formation. Just a good old 4-3. We even brought a safety down, mostly Trey Dean to sceimmage in a "Bear" or 46 look. It mostly worked.

This!

Too few bodies in the box. Tweener LB at DE, tweener SS at LB if we happen to play them. When the oppo has 5/6 OL in and you only have 6 baby Gators in the box……

Read Shawn Davis’ tweet, “they had us in quarters, man, they don’t teach it like that in the league “

Dandawg both need to be the smartest in the room… like a previous elaborate OC where none of the players could understand the scheme … lol….basics bitch

clearly these guys loved bambi and not thumper
 

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Bullets only:

1. Grantham

2. Player decisions: we run two DTs (smaller but not as bad as before) and a WDE and an OLB/Rushbacker on the DL.

3. Recruiting: especially at linebacker. we've signed one inside linebacker in the last four classes, Hopper. The other LBs are edge players or safeties that we're trying to put weight on and trying to move them inside (which is a significant technique andnlearning process).

4. Position Coaching: we hired a graduate assistant (and a dwag). So far his resume (only three years) is that he's never put a functional set of linebackers on the field, and he's never developed an edge or safety into a functional inside linebacker.

5. Formation: We call it a 3-4 defense but it is a nickle 4-2 really. Its really rare when the Rush "Linebacker" does anything but line up with his hand in the dirt. Combined with our problem of size and you end up with 320 pound SEC lineman going against a 230 pound Rush End (Cox plays even smaller than his size) and a couple of 220ish pound Linebackers. It's never going to work.

6. Strategy: we purposely assign our lineman usually to one gap assignments, so they can rush the passer without having to first read run and maintain two gap integrity (basically the gap tomtheir left and right) as most defensive lineman especially defensive tackles are required to do. Linebackers then have the primary responsibility for the two open gaps (their are six gaps and only 4 DL).... which of course means the LBs have more trouble flowing/strafing/filling whatever to other locations AND guards are usually left free to climb to the second level and block, usually destroy, our linebackers. Also, playing a nickel corner instead of a third LB makes us very small in the box.

7. See #1.

That's my first answers off the top of my head.

The more detailed explanation would require me to explain what happens when you pull extra blockers and create extra gaps vs a defense. it's too late for that, and frankly I couldn't give you a college level answer anyway.

However, against Kentucky at times and mostly in the second half, we played 4 real DL WITH Moon and Cox at OLB at opposite ends of the formation. Just a good old 4-3. We even brought a safety down, mostly Trey Dean to sceimmage in a "Bear" or 46 look. It mostly worked.
Great, and thorough analysis. Thanks!

I think I can boil it down to one sentence, let me know if I hit the nail on the head. Basically, we were in the wrong formation for those plays to fill the extra gaps created by the pulling linemen, and when we finally did get in the right formation, we didn’t have the talent to get the job done.

Sounds like a quick fix
 

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Sounds like a quick fix
Honestly, it is. Move Zach from SDE back to WDE (his natural and NFL position), put another heavy on the line at SDE (we have several light DTs who would work just fine but even Princely would be an upgrade). Move Cox and Moon to OLB and habe them replace the nickel. Keep Diabeetus at Will and start Hopper.

OR Just play a 3-4 with Cox and Moon at OLB and nickle on the bench.

In obvious run downs, a SS in the box too.

Basically, just like the defense we saw vs UK at times. Or like UK ran against us.
 

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Honestly, it is. Move Zach from SDE back to WDE (his natural and NFL position), put another heavy on the line at SDE (we have several light DTs who would work just fine but even Princely would be an upgrade). Move Cox and Moon to OLB and habe them replace the nickel. Keep Diabeetus at Will and start Hopper.

OR Just play a 3-4 with Cox and Moon at OLB and nickle on the bench.

In obvious run downs, a SS in the box too.

Basically, just like the defense we saw vs UK at times. Or like UK ran against us.

Dexter at SDE. 300+ yet quick & agile.
 

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Great, and thorough analysis. Thanks!

I think I can boil it down to one sentence, let me know if I hit the nail on the head. Basically, we were in the wrong formation for those plays to fill the extra gaps created by the pulling linemen, and when we finally did get in the right formation, we didn’t have the talent to get the job done.

Sounds like a quick fix
It was so simple to read. They ran the play to the weak side a lot, sometimes 2 times in a row. You just had to follow what side of the line the TE was on.

Coach O. Did his job this past week preparing. He knew his run game hadn’t got going yet this year except for the 2nd half of the Kintuckey game. He knew we are weak and undersized on the DL and LB. I’m sure they just worked on this all week.
 

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We can't stop anything for the last 5 years cuz Grantham is a pos, and Mullen is a dumbass for keeping him around.
 

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It was so simple to read. They ran the play to the weak side a lot, sometimes 2 times in a row. You just had to follow what side of the line the TE was on.

Coach O. Did his job this past week preparing. He knew his run game hadn’t got going yet this year except for the 2nd half of the Kintuckey game. He knew we are weak and undersized on the DL and LB. I’m sure they just worked on this all week.
 

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It reminded me of the 88 Super Bowl between Denver and WFT. WFT runs the same counter play all night and a RB no one ever heard of before or after runs for 200 yards. Then again that Denver team also had a stubborn run first coach who handcuffed his superstar QB because reasons.
 

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It reminded me of the 88 Super Bowl between Denver and WFT. WFT runs the same counter play all night and a RB no one ever heard of before or after runs for 200 yards. Then again that Denver team also had a stubborn run first coach who handcuffed his superstar QB because reasons.
There was no such Super Bowl in'88 between the Denver Broncos and the Washington Football Team. The Denver Broncos played the Washington Redskins.
 

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