Recruiting 2022 Recruiting Thread: Evers and CJ Smith Decommit

NoPumper666 · Oct 21, 2021

I said Mullen when I meant to say Champ in the opening line FYI

NoPumper666 · Oct 21, 2021

soflagator said:
All of this still stems back to the WM hiring in the first place, then his being retained after 2013. Neither are even remotely defensible, and both are the primary reasons we're where we are. Anything beyond that is strictly details.

Oh I agree. The fact that Fooley brought him back after that season is truly unforgivable.

soflagator · Oct 21, 2021

TheDouglas78 said:
The initial hiring of Muschamp at least made logical sense. At least when hiring Muschamp he was considered the top assistant in the country and a coach in waiting at a top 5 football program. The double extension in 2012 not even two years into his contract, and then doubling down again by retaining him after the clusterfuch of 2013. Once he lost to Vandy at Homecoming in 2013, that should have been the final draw. The coaching pool was deeper in 2013 offseason (hidsight obvious) and if we hire the right coach we are in a vastly different situation now.

The hire made sense from a mile away vantage point. Up close, when vision and ideology were discussed, Foley should've seen enough to know that it would never work. And even if it did, considering the massive overhaul it would require, there should've been a 4-6 window where he as safe. It's very similar to whoever at Michigan hired Rodriguez. Maybe today with the portal, but back then there would be no way to implement that kind of change within a few years. Then of course comes the greater question--does this even fit UF? The answer was almost unequivocally no to anyone with a brain.

Beyond that, you're correct. Any time anyone mentions Franklin, I always say he should've never been allowed to leave Gville that day. Foley even went into the locker room to congratulate him and the team. Imo, we'd have cashed in somewhere along the way with at least an SEC title had we done that, and he's still be here.

TheDouglas78 · Oct 21, 2021

soflagator said:
The hire made sense from a mile away vantage point. Up close, when vision and ideology were discussed, Foley should've seen enough to know that it would never work. And even if it did, considering the massive overhaul it would require, there should've been a 4-6 window where he as safe. It's very similar to whoever at Michigan hired Rodriguez. Maybe today with the portal, but back then there would be no way to implement that kind of change within a few years. Then of course comes the greater question--does this even fit UF? The answer was almost unequivocally no to anyone with a brain.

Beyond that, you're correct. Any time anyone mentions Franklin, I always say he should've never been allowed to leave Gville that day. Foley even went into the locker room to congratulate him and the team. Imo, we'd have cashed in somewhere along the way with at least an SEC title had we done that, and he's still be here.

I think we both agree, that UF is a place where an Offensive minded coach should be the premium. I'm don't disagree with Foley should have known better. He also should have known better than Zook. But at least unlike Zook and Butters, the Muschamp hire makes more sense. I don't believe he was an organizational fit.

Mr2Bits · Oct 21, 2021

You’d think they played 25 kids on both sides of the ball…pretty awesome we used to have a single player in the top 70

ThreatMatrix · Oct 21, 2021

GatorJ said:
Chump actually recruited both sides well. His issue was:

1. The identity of the team was defense. There was no identity on offense at all
2. They didn’t recruit OL for 2 years. They plugged with really good transfers. But no depth was created.
3. He couldn’t recruit receivers well.
4. He thought Henry was a LB.

he did recruit Brissett and Grier. Both still in the NFL.

He recruited well except for OL and receivers?
I guess my definition of recruiting well and yours is at polar opposites.

P.S. You forgot recruiting a supposedly 5* athlete who only wanted to play QB when absolutely no one would recruit him as a QB.

He was shyt.

neteng · Oct 21, 2021

soflagator said:
All of this still stems back to the WM hiring in the first place, then his being retained after 2013. Neither are even remotely defensible, and both are the primary reasons we're where we are. Anything beyond that is strictly details.

TheDouglas78 said:
The initial hiring of Muschamp at least made logical sense. At least when hiring Muschamp he was considered the top assistant in the country and a coach in waiting at a top 5 football program. The double extension in 2012 not even two years into his contract, and then doubling down again by retaining him after the clusterfuch of 2013. Once he lost to Vandy at Homecoming in 2013, that should have been the final draw. The coaching pool was deeper in 2013 offseason (hidsight obvious) and if we hire the right coach we are in a vastly different situation now.

Didn't Fooley force Weiss on Chump?

GatorTruth133 · Oct 21, 2021

Sorry if I missed this being posted. Looks like Jones not wanting TG

BMF · Oct 21, 2021

Mr2Bits said:
You’d think they played 25 kids on both sides of the ball…pretty awesome we used to have a single player in the top 70

The ole "Kirby can't coach" excuse ain't going to age well. The dude has so much talent it's disgusting. Their roster next year will probably be the best roster ever accumulated (using the star rankings). Meanwhile, Dan Mullen is signing OL's ranking outside of the top 1000 w/ offers from FAU & Alabama State. smh

This week alone, UGA has added two 5-stars...and they likely end up w/ Shemar....

SaltGator · Oct 21, 2021

We are going to be looking up at Ga for quite a while it seems. It’s sickening how far we have fallen.

aka · Oct 21, 2021

Getting where we are compared to Georgia didn't happen over night. It's like anything else, first you have to be willing to admit there is a problem.

Mr2Bits · Oct 21, 2021

BMF said:
The ole "Kirby can't coach" excuse ain't going to age well. The dude has so much talent it's disgusting. Their roster next year will probably be the best roster ever accumulated (using the star rankings). Meanwhile, Dan Mullen is signing OL's ranking outside of the top 1000 w/ offers from FAU & Alabama State. smh

This week alone, UGA has added two 5-stars...and they likely end up w/ Shemar....

It seems at this rate, there won’t be a position besides kicker that won’t be a 5 star for them

Swamp Donkey · Oct 21, 2021

aka said:
Getting where we are compared to Georgia didn't happen over night. It's like anything else, first you have to be willing to admit there is a problem.

TALENT DOESNT MATTER!!!!

SOS only had two or three top classes. The rest were #3-5!!!!

#3 Star Whisperers Unite!!!!

SaltGator · Oct 21, 2021

Mullinz 20 to 30 ranked classes are going to bury us.

B52G8rAC · Oct 21, 2021

I am going to say it again. As long as Dr. Fuchs is running the show, and he is, we will not recruit with the dwags and the bammers. Just ain't in his wheelhouse. If Saban were our HC and Smart out recruiting coordinator, we wouldn't recruit in the top 10 because, you know, academics. And Chinese kids don't play football or footsies for that matter.

SaltGator · Oct 21, 2021

B52G8rAC said:
I am going to say it again. As long as Dr. Fuchs is running the show, and he is, we will not recruit with the dwags and the bammers. Just ain't in his wheelhouse. If Saban were our HC and Smart out recruiting coordinator, we wouldn't recruit in the top 10 because, you know, academics. And Chinese kids don't play football or footsies for that matter.

Clearly we are not committed to football like Bama, Ga, and LSU. But with a competent HC and good recruiting position coaches, we could be in that 10 to 5 range. Couple that with a stud QB and you got a shot at the SEC and playoffs. Under Cousin Eddie, we will never be close to that.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 21, 2021

SaltGator said:
Mullinz 20 to 30 ranked classes are going to bury us.

So are 9th-15th

Swamp Donkey · Oct 21, 2021

B52G8rAC said:
I am going to say it again. As long as Dr. Fuchs is running the show, and he is, we will not recruit with the dwags and the bammers. Just ain't in his wheelhouse. If Saban were our HC and Smart out recruiting coordinator, we wouldn't recruit in the top 10 because, you know, academics. And Chinese kids don't play football or footsies for that matter.

Youre out of your freaking mind if you the academics is affecting our recruiting.

Have you listened to Kadarius? Or half of our players? Shtt be lame.

Saulgoodman · Oct 21, 2021

B52G8rAC said:
I am going to say it again. As long as Dr. Fuchs is running the show, and he is, we will not recruit with the dwags and the bammers. Just ain't in his wheelhouse. If Saban were our HC and Smart out recruiting coordinator, we wouldn't recruit in the top 10 because, you know, academics. And Chinese kids don't play football or footsies for that matter.

Got to disagree with you there. If we hire a competent guy that can coach AND recruit, we will be right back with the big boys as SaltGator mentioned. Meyer had $hitty dorms, no indoor practice facility, no stand alone football facility, or any other bull$****. Muschamp recruited pretty well but couldn't figure out what the hell to do on Offense to save his life. Shark humper was average and Ego maniac track record is average to below average. Can this dip$hit, get the right guy in here and get the football program rolling again. Don't waste AR's next couple of years (IF he even stays) with this loser.

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