It's NOT about recruiting

Double Gator Dad · Nov 6, 2021

Spurdog98 said:
It's weird the stuff that gets posted when you team is 4-4, just got prison raped by it's arch rival and you have a coach that you want so much to can and can't. It's just random "oh it's not the recruiting" or "dont diss the players cause that hurts their future ability to earn and it hurt recruiting". True enough, but is it really on the fan base to worry about that as opposed to.....I don't know...the administrators and coaches knocking down millions to do the kind of job they get paid to do? I have no interests in tearing down any of the players and in fact, I feel bad for the kids that came to UF and thought they were getting elite football instruction, would be competing at a high level and having a chance to play for championships and get a shot at the NFL. That's gotta feel like a fading dream for most of them.........and it ain't whats being said on Gatorchatter that's the reason. Just my 2c.

I agree for the most part but I no longer view the players as off limits for criticism due to NIL.

I was always a firm believer in the position that amateur athletes are immune to harsh criticism however I believe that now that they are paid above the table they are open for critique as well.

If you can promote your abilities for money then you can be criticized for not delivering on what was paid for. Be careful what you wish for players.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 6, 2021

Bushmaster said:
If you go back and look at Clemson recruiting, UF has averaged as good if not better classes over the last 6-7 years on the Orange Bowl years ago.

average smaverages.

he had the second most five-star playmakers over that era too.

we have almost zero. no, taking flop transfers does not count.

I'd be okay with what Dabo's doing. he pretty much goes outside of the state only to grab game changers skill positions and then stays in state for the rest of the roster.

Honestly it's the way that we used to recruit. and there's something to be said about taking the All Florida team, mostly guys that are used to being champions in the state.

bayou gator · Nov 6, 2021

I think enough people have hit the nail on the head that Dan literally sucks at everything he does, so I’ll just focus on one thing being overlooked…

At no point in the Kensucky game did I ever think that we had more talent on the field. This is the least talented Gators team since the 80s probation era teams.

Silverback Gator · Nov 6, 2021

Alumni Guy said:
Recruiting is the problem
Coaching is the problem
Offensive play calling is the problem
Defensive play calling is the problem
Special teams is the problem
The Head Coach is the problem
The Athletic Director is the problem
ctl/alt/del the whole program.

Fair to say mullen has allowed too many leaks in the program.

Silverback Gator · Nov 6, 2021

bayou gator said:
I think enough people have hit the nail on the head that Dan literally sucks at everything he does, so I’ll just focus on one thing being overlooked…
At no point in the Kensucky game did I ever think that we had more talent on the field. This is the least talented Gators team since the 80s probation era teams.

No doubt. It's going to look worse at draft time this season. Who will be drafted?

If mullen happens to get two more seasons we will be far less talented than two other Florida teams, georgia, alabama, lsu, and probably tennessee and kentucky. mullen will have set us back further perhaps than did misschump or mcelwain.

who will be drafted in rd 1 or 2 next year?

Frozen Gator · Nov 6, 2021

Alumni Guy said:
Recruiting is the problem
Coaching is the problem
Offensive play calling is the problem
Defensive play calling is the problem
Special teams is the problem
The Head Coach is the problem
The Athletic Director is the problem

ctl/alt/del the whole program.

The President is also the problem!

Swamp Donkey · Nov 6, 2021

t-gator said:
The guys on 247 would rather have the #1 recruiting class than win a national championship. It's weird

If you have the #1-3 ish recruiting class and a good coach, you will have an NC soon.

Its easyto look at the 2017 and 2018 classes and know how bad it would be onnthe field this year. So the 247 people already knew.

t-gator · Nov 6, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
If you have the #1-3 ish recruiting class and a good coach, you will have an NC soon.

Its easyto look at the 2017 and 2018 classes and know how bad it would be onnthe field this year. So the 247 people already knew.

Yes I totally agree with you. I've seen posters say when talking about other coaches say things like " we may only win 9-10games a year but atleast we'd be in the top 5 on signing day".

BNAG8R · Nov 6, 2021

OP is wrong. It all starts with ingredients.

jdh5484 · Nov 6, 2021

oxrageous said:
UF isn't comparing itself to Kentucky - I thought we were in the NC business here. When you compare UF to Bama or UGA, it's laughable. Since when is our goal to beat teams like Kentucky?

It's always been a goal to beat Kentucky... it's just, now , it's a stretch goal.

Frozen Gator · Nov 6, 2021

jdh5484 said:
It's always been a goal to beat Kentucky... it's just, now , it's a stretch goal.

It's never been a goal to beat Kentucky, it's taken for granted. That's how it should be.

OcalaGator83 · Nov 6, 2021

I don't understand where this mentality comes from. You can't have watched many games of us this year if you don't realize our poor recruiting for years is bearing its poisoned fruit right now.

I agree that if recruiting was the only thing that mattered then Ron Zook would have several rings. Likewise if coaching was the only thing that mattered you'd have a lot of other guys who were good coaches but poor recruiters wearing rings. You have to recruit talent and then you have to coach it up. It seems that this is difficult to find because there are so few coaches who seem to be able to do both well. While it'd make for a great movie how a team of 1 and 2 stars somehow rose above it all to win a Natty, it ain't gonna happen. Likewise you can have a team filled with 5 stars who don't win anything because the coach was an idiot. Love him or hate him that's the secret sauce to Nick Saban.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 6, 2021

OcalaGator83 said:
I don't understand where this mentality comes from. You can't have watched many games of us this year if you don't realize our poor recruiting for years is bearing its poisoned fruit right now.

you underestimate how stupid some people are.

NoPumper666 · Nov 6, 2021

Bushmaster said:
If you go back and look at Clemson recruiting, UF has averaged as good if not better classes over the last 6-7 years on the Orange Bowl years ago. Dabo seat was warm amongst fans, similar to mullens now.

Fsu prison raped them in 13 and 14 but played much better since until this year.

And get this. Outside of lsu and 1st qtr of Alabama, the defense has done well from a giving up points viewpoint. He still needs to go because of past performance and so do several assistants.

And, recruiting needs to improve a lot because of our conference. We need more of th top shelf 4 and 5 star players as you arent getting thru unscathed. Quality depth, which happens with several years of quality recruits, is mandatory. Only place we have that is RB.

Clemsons big success is staff continuity of GOOD coaches which happened after giving up 70 points in the Orange Bowl. Dabo hire better.

Repeat after me:

We are not following the “Clemson model.”

Dan is not Dabo.

The SEC is not the ACC.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 6, 2021

NoPumper666 said:
Repeat after me:

We are not following the “Clemson model.”

Dan is not Dabo.

The SEC is not the ACC.

And the Clempson model is put 300 million into facilities and about 100 times what we do into recruiting.

Before the money, Dabo was a punchline who got beaten by USC every year and lucky to get a bowl game.

but I guess it is safe to say that Dan Mullen is Dabo without the facilities, the huge staff, the elite recruits.

Silverback Gator · Nov 7, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
If you have the #1-3 ish recruiting class and a good coach, you will have an NC soon.

Its easyto look at the 2017 and 2018 classes and know how bad it would be onnthe field this year. So the 247 people already knew.

Why 2017? You know that was McElwain and 2018, Mullen’s first class of 18. Are any of that class still here? I don’t know if any OL from his first two classes are still here. And if we do have the 7th roster the staff is seriously under performing.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 7, 2021

Silverback Gator said:
Why 2017? You know that was McElwain and 2018, Mullen’s first class of 18.

because the 2018 class is (mostly) known in fall of 2017 and is the product of work in 2016 or 2015 even.

We know the 2022 class and 2023 classes suck already, but 2023 could be turned around some with the right hire maybe.

oxking · Nov 7, 2021

oxrageous said:
UF isn't comparing itself to Kentucky - I thought we were in the NC business here. When you compare UF to Bama or UGA, it's laughable. Since when is our goal to beat teams like Kentucky?

It seems to be now. Since FL is now the MSU of the east. National championships are no longer a realistic goal -- having been replaced by out talenting and beating the Kentuckies of the SEC.

oxking · Nov 7, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
because the 2018 class is (mostly) known in fall of 2017 and is the product of work in 2016 or 2015 even.

We know the 2022 class and 2023 classes suck already, but 2023 could be turned around some with the right hire maybe.

Exactly. I'm tired of these dolts who don't believe recruiting at a high level is essential. Even Kirby is "Smart" enough to know that. Kirby is a mediocre head coach that is involved in the NC hunt because of the talent he fields. Even that moron Zook new that, remember his national tv quote about the "Jimmys and Joes". Not only do we have to fire Mullen but hire a coach who embraces recruiting.

Bushmaster · Nov 7, 2021

NoPumper666 said:
Repeat after me:

We are not following the “Clemson model.”

Dan is not Dabo.

The SEC is not the ACC.

Who said it was you dumbass.

Clemtech won 2 nattys without having consistent top 5 o even top 10 classes. Good coaching and staff concistency.

So repeat after or me. We don't have to have top 5 classes. We need top 10 classes, good coaching, staff consistency. We have none of that now.

It's NOT about recruiting

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