Before We Select a Coach

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Before we select a coach we need to know the criteria/parameters..."What's your objective?"

Mullen was hired on criteria that neither Urban or SOS could have met. If you narrow your selection that tight, you introduce-inbreeding. We don't know if Frost could coach at UF? He can't at Neb but could at UCF.

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Here are my Parameters:

  • Offense or Defensive Minded?
  • Is his Offense exciting or innovative?
  • Is his Defense "Lock-down" (STATS)
  • Are Special Teams...SPECIAL? (STATS)
  • Can he recruit? (STATS)
  • Can he select a Quality Staff and is he willing to admit he needs a change?
  • Does he have a SYSTEM or a SCHEME?
  • IS HE ADAPTABLE?
  • Are his teams DISCIPLINED? (STATS)
  • Has he won at multiple locations?
  • Does he have character?
 
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So glad you created a new thread to talk about stuff that was already talked about on the coaching search thread.

Good read...will not read again.
 

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Before we select a coach we need to know the criteria/parameters..."What's your objective?"

Mullen was hired on criteria that neither Urban or SOS could have met. If you narrow your selection that tight, you introduce-inbreeding. We don't know if Frost could coach at UF? He can't at Neb but could at UCF.

I listened to Scott Shytland...Pure CEO/Coach Speak...No Meat

Here are my Parameters:

  • Offense or Defensive Minded?
  • Is his Offense exciting or initiative?
  • Is his Defense "Lock-down" (STATS)
  • Are Special Teams...SPECIAL? (STATS)
  • Can he recruit? (STATS)
  • Can he select a Quality Staff and is he willing to admit he needs a change?
  • Does he have a SYSTEM or a SCHEME?
  • IS HE ADAPTABLE?
  • Are his teams DISCIPLINED? (STATS)
  • Has he won at multiple locations?
  • Does he have character?
Other than bullet 2, which I believe you meant to say innovative, I couldnt agree more with this list. And you're right. Strick9 was looking for the easy button - is he comfortable, is he familiar, does he have some UF history, etc. None of those should be requirements although the last would be nice but only so much as in addition to your list.
 

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You could argue that 9-3 over four seasons is “sustained success.” Try selling that shyt now. That’s what our baseball AD is about to do.
 

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You could argue that 9-3 over four seasons is “sustained success.” Try selling that shyt now. That’s what our baseball AD is about to do.
Lets be honest. If he was around 9-3 or 10-2 each year he'd be here indefinitely. He could even pull the occasional 8-4 or even 7-5 as long as he followed it up with at least a 10/11 win season and trip to Atlanta.

The issue is mullen couldnt. I wasn't a fan of much of what Strick9 said at the presser. Sounded like word salad and he avoided any and all metrics to truly describe what success means when given multiple opportunities to clarify. That tells me he's soft and too timid to draw a line in the sand. However, one thing he did say that i agree with and was glad to hear was the "sustained" success comment and how that is about building an organization, being disciplined, and focusing on the details. He nailed that one and he's 100% correct. It's also very apropos and perhaps a subtle indictment on mullen, because dan did NONE of those things. So at least he sees the issues that lead to this disaster.
 

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Lets be honest. If he was around 9-3 or 10-2 each year he'd be here indefinitely. He could even pull the occasional 8-4 or even 7-5 as long as he followed it up with at least a 10/11 win season and trip to Atlanta.

The issue is mullen couldnt. I wasn't a fan of much of what Strick9 said at the presser. Sounded like word salad and he avoided any and all metrics to truly describe what success means when given multiple opportunities to clarify. That tells me he's soft and too timid to draw a line in the sand. However, one thing he did say that i agree with and was glad to hear was the "sustained" success comment and how that is about building an organization, being disciplined, and focusing on the details. He nailed that one and he's 100% correct. It's also very apropos and perhaps a subtle indictment on mullen, because dan did NONE of those things. So at least he sees the issues that lead to this disaster.

Stricklin’s corporate speak turns me off. I was looking for more of a plain spoken message to the effect of, “This is Florida. We expect a date in Atlanta every year, and I’m not talking about the Peach Bowl.”
 

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Stricklin’s corporate speak turns me off. I was looking for more of a plain spoken message to the effect of, “This is Florida. We expect a date in Atlanta every year, and I’m not talking about the Peach Bowl.”

Well, there were a number of members that were wetting themselves over the peach bowl in 2018... it was a big deal.....
 

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Before we select a coach we need to know the criteria/parameters..."What's your objective?"

Mullen was hired on criteria that neither Urban or SOS could have met. If you narrow your selection that tight, you introduce-inbreeding. We don't know if Frost could coach at UF? He can't at Neb but could at UCF.

I listened to Scott Shytland...Pure CEO/Coach Speak...No Meat

Here are my Parameters:

  • Offense or Defensive Minded?
  • Is his Offense exciting or innovative?
  • Is his Defense "Lock-down" (STATS)
  • Are Special Teams...SPECIAL? (STATS)
  • Can he recruit? (STATS)
  • Can he select a Quality Staff and is he willing to admit he needs a change?
  • Does he have a SYSTEM or a SCHEME?
  • IS HE ADAPTABLE?
  • Are his teams DISCIPLINED? (STATS)
  • Has he won at multiple locations?
  • Does he have character?
I suspect few, if any, coaches who might be available could answer YES to all of these questions,
Those who can (ie Saban, Dabo, Bobby Stoops....) are either out of the college game or unlikely to want to step
into a reclamation project. The guy most likely to succeed would excel on points 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, & 11.
I would also add "Be able to withstand the criticism that is sure to come his way."
 

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Before we select a coach we need to know the criteria/parameters..."What's your objective?"

Mullen was hired on criteria that neither Urban or SOS could have met. If you narrow your selection that tight, you introduce-inbreeding. We don't know if Frost could coach at UF? He can't at Neb but could at UCF.

I listened to Scott Shytland...Pure CEO/Coach Speak...No Meat

Here are my Parameters:

  • Offense or Defensive Minded?
  • Is his Offense exciting or innovative?
  • Is his Defense "Lock-down" (STATS)
  • Are Special Teams...SPECIAL? (STATS)
  • Can he recruit? (STATS)
  • Can he select a Quality Staff and is he willing to admit he needs a change?
  • Does he have a SYSTEM or a SCHEME?
  • IS HE ADAPTABLE?
  • Are his teams DISCIPLINED? (STATS)
  • Has he won at multiple locations?
  • Does he have character?
You might want to start with this one...
  • Capable of/experience with running all aspects of an $80M organization?
You are listing "Coach" things for a "CEO" job.
 

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Are these even parameters?! Gripe about strick talking CEO speak, these are so broad that they can be interpreted so many different ways. What is disciplined? Character? how the hell do you define adaptable in a measurable way?! These are all so open to individual interpretation that they are useless. Try again.
 

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You might want to start with this one...
  • Capable of/experience with running all aspects of an $80M organization?
You are listing "Coach" things for a "CEO" job.

You HIRE someone to do that. General Managers should not coach. When you think like that you see what you get....And how are those new facilities looking?
 

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Are these even parameters?! Gripe about strick talking CEO speak, these are so broad that they can be interpreted so many different ways. What is disciplined? Character? how the hell do you define adaptable in a measurable way?! These are all so open to individual interpretation that they are useless. Try again.


Discipline...Start with Penalties and Arrests

Adaptable...You run the Spread but your QB is a slow Pro-Set QB

What is Charter?...If you don't know that...Swamp Gas is available but then again BIDEN is President.
 

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As far as checking off all those bullet points, some of us are living in a complete dream world. See Detroit's post who is not living in a dream world. We'll wait till hell freezes over to check off all those bullet points. Hell's been frozen over long enough.

If you as a CEO don't do something well, you hire someone who does.
 

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You might want to start with this one...
  • Capable of/experience with running all aspects of an $80M organization?
You are listing "Coach" things for a "CEO" job.

That's what I want - the CEO type. And among the "realistic" coaches available you have Cristobal, Napier....and?? There aren't many out there.
 

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That's what I want - the CEO type. And among the "realistic" coaches available you have Cristobal, Napier....and?? There aren't many out there.
I honestly think "born again" Kiffin is on the cusp of "realistic" to UF admin
 

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I honestly think "born again" Kiffin is on the cusp of "realistic" to UF admin

I do think Kiffin "gets it", working under Saban for several years. He also did a good job of building a solid staff at Ole Miss, for that type of job. I wouldn't be mad if he was hired, like I was w/ Mullen. But I'd be waiting for it all to blow up, wondering when (not if) it would happen.
 

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I do think Kiffin "gets it", working under Saban for several years. He also did a good job of building a solid staff at Ole Miss, for that type of job. I wouldn't be mad if he was hired, like I was w/ Mullen. But I'd be waiting for it all to blow up, wondering when (not if) it would happen.
He's the highest risk/return that is also capable
 

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He's the highest risk/return that is also capable

I agree that Kiffin is high risk but he’s the only candidate out there that acts and sounds like a coach that can be successful at UF.

Let’s be honest and admit that being a smart a$$ is actually an attribute required at UF as long as you have the game to back up the smartassery. Dan sometimes brought the attitude but he never had the game to go with the talk.

SOS and Urban were world class smart a$$es and we need another one.
 

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