Head Coaching Candidates Thread; Brian Kelly goes to LSU

Mr2Bits · Nov 29, 2021

My rank thus far:
1) Riley- guy locks down the west coast and it’s an Oregon vs USC battle for the next 5 years. I think one make the playoffs 2 out of the 5 years but win nothing. Guy will be rich and recruit well but won’t win anything but media attention
2) UF - look at the recruiting trail. Napier means business with no days off and is by the book. We’ve lost no recruits and stand to gain a lot of ground with the change. I think we have our sneak in the playoff like Riley but don’t know. He is definitely the lunchbox blue collar guy we need.
3) Venables - Typical….about the best option they had. OU has always been hiring, still a 2-3 loss team maybe 4-5 when they get to the SEC
4) Kelley - not seeing it outside of a money grab knowing he doesn’t want to coach more than 5 years….good luck!

t-gator · Nov 29, 2021

soflagator said:
You want Brian Kelly, and at 15 per year?

Let me say I'm happy with the Napier hire and honestly would rather have him than brian Kelly. But why would I give shcit how much he's getting paid? Not a knock on you but I see this argument alot. If you asked me if I'd take Riley here at 15 mil a year I'd say hell yes. I'm damn sure not paying for it. I really don't care how much we're paying Napier. Again why does the coaches price tag matter?

OcalaGator83 · Nov 29, 2021

If the Brian Kelley move to LSU is not solely about money, it may be that he thinks that's the only legit path he has to winning a national championship. Its clearly not going to happen at Notre Dame for him. So he gets rich and maybe he gets a ring too. Win win for him.

soflagator · Nov 29, 2021

t-gator said:
Let me say I'm happy with the Napier hire and honestly would rather have him than brian Kelly. But why would I give shcit how much he's getting paid? Not a knock on you but I see this argument alot. If you asked me if I'd take Riley here at 15 mil a year I'd say hell yes. I'm damn sure not paying for it. I really don't care how much we're paying Napier. Again why does the coaches price tag matter?

You’re right, and I’ve made that argument myself several times. I don’t care if I’m an Lsu fan. But it smells of desperation and will probably also have some financial repercussions down the line if he doesn’t work and they want to move on. If he wins, 30 million is fine. If he loses 50k with Dental and Vision is robbery.

As I said going back to 2017, the issue is the failed search. That’s why Mullen started off so high. The Lsu AD just one upped him, even though Kelly is better. Overspent because of how they arrived at the table.

UFHealthGator · Nov 29, 2021

t-gator said:
Let me say I'm happy with the Napier hire and honestly would rather have him than brian Kelly. But why would I give shcit how much he's getting paid? Not a knock on you but I see this argument alot. If you asked me if I'd take Riley here at 15 mil a year I'd say hell yes. I'm damn sure not paying for it. I really don't care how much we're paying Napier. Again why does the coaches price tag matter?

Maybe this may sound crazy, but even in CFB money does not come from an infinite pit. If the program overpays so egregiously for a HC other aspects would probably suffer from less capital. Not to mention a program stuck with an insanely massive buyout means that the program could potentially be stuck with a bad hire for a much longer time than they would otherwise desire.

G. Gordon Gator · Nov 30, 2021

t-gator said:
Let me say I'm happy with the Napier hire and honestly would rather have him than brian Kelly. But why would I give shcit how much he's getting paid? Not a knock on you but I see this argument alot. If you asked me if I'd take Riley here at 15 mil a year I'd say hell yes. I'm damn sure not paying for it. I really don't care how much we're paying Napier. Again why does the coaches price tag matter?

AOC, is that you?? ;)

AnObfuscator · Nov 30, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
Brian Kelly is successful? At what?

We just paid Dan Mullen top 3 pay and his is barely top 50 at best.

Hey now, that's not a fair comparison, at least Kelly tries to recruit. Also... Well that's it, that's about the only difference I can think of between Kelly and Mullen.

Swamp Donkey · Nov 30, 2021

gatorev12 said:
He's had the Irish as a top 10 program for most of his tenure

he's crap. what would he be without a service academy victories and all the other chumps?

the difference between winning
the Sunbelt and winning with Notre Dame schedule is in the Sun belt you have Sunbelt talent.

I forgot you were catholic. how many priests diddled you?

gatorev12 · Nov 30, 2021

Swamp Donkey said:
he's crap. what would he be without a service academy victories and all the other chumps?

During Kelly's tenure, they've had home and homes with Oklahoma and Georgia; have regularly played top 15 matchups vs Clemson, UNC, and Michigan--and play USC and Stanford every year (both of whom have dropped off, but both of whom have been highly ranked earlier this decade).

Their schedule's chit this year, admittedly; but they usually don't hesitate to throw in top 10 or top 15 teams into the mix most years. We've got a home and home with them in 2029 and 2030 I believe. I know I'll be at both games.

Kelly's biggest fault is that he struggles against teams he should be burying. This year's game vs f$u is a good example...but there's plenty more where that came from. They barely beat Vandy like 2-3 years ago; and almost always struggle with VTech (who's been garbage for the better part of the last decade). He usually wins close games...but there's really no reason to repeatedly be in dogfights with trash teams. In the SEC, that's a recipe for going 7-5 every year when your coach doesn't know how to bury teams early.

Oh, and obligatory: I diddled your mom last night reply.

deuce · Nov 30, 2021

Altitude Gator said:
This AD at LSU better not show up at any private AD meetings. He might get strung up for starting this stupid pay scale elevation.

Alabama, Texas A&M and Michigan State Started it....

AugustaGator · Nov 30, 2021

deuce said:
Alabama, Texas A&M and Michigan State Started it....

A history of skyrocketing CFB coach salaries, from Camp to Swinney

Well we played a part.

TheDouglas78 · Nov 30, 2021

That is a huge thing, how many coaches get stuck in their ways/people.... He almost got him self fired until he realized he needed to be CEO than Coach.

TheDouglas78 · Nov 30, 2021

soflagator said:
You’re right, and I’ve made that argument myself several times. I don’t care if I’m an Lsu fan. But it smells of desperation and will probably also have some financial repercussions down the line if he doesn’t work and they want to move on. If he wins, 30 million is fine. If he loses 50k with Dental and Vision is robbery.

As I said going back to 2017, the issue is the failed search. That’s why Mullen started off so high. The Lsu AD just one upped him, even though Kelly is better. Overspent because of how they arrived at the table.

While it looks that they overpaid, but with the extensions being thrown around. Mel Tucker at MSU and James Franklin at PSU... we don't know if its overpaid yet. The Eco-system just took a huge shift up the last 2-3 weeks. We won't know if it's overpaid or just the new normal for a few weeks. Both Riley and Brian Kelly are overpaid or not, but being Franklin has one B10 Title and Mel Tucker has won nothing we don't know if it's that much of a shift. Comparing to 2017, where the eco-system didn't shift at all isn't a good comparison.

FireFoley · Nov 30, 2021

Well I certainly do not know which team will end up with having made the best hire, but one thing is clear that should never ever come up again here or any other site. No one should ever ask "What big name coach is out there that we can get?" Regardless of how anyone feels about a specific coach, the majority of people would say that 2 big time, big name, successful coaches at big schools were willing to move. TWO!. As I said only time will show who made the best hire, but never say no one is out there. It depends on what you want and how you think. The thing that should now be clear to everyone which I have mentioned over and over is that UF starts its shopping at Dollar Tree and ends it there. Other programs start at LVMH, Nieman's, Saks, etc. etc. They may buy there or they may end up at Wal Mart also, but it is all about the thought process. Some will clearly end up with prettier, nicer made merchandise, but it does not mean it will outlast the Dollar Tree purchase.

TheDouglas78 · Nov 30, 2021

FireFoley said:
Well I certainly do not know which team will end up with having made the best hire, but one thing is clear that should never ever come up again here or any other site. No one should ever ask "What big name coach is out there that we can get?" Regardless of how anyone feels about a specific coach, the majority of people would say that 2 big time, big name, successful coaches at big schools were willing to move. TWO!. As I said only time will show who made the best hire, but never say no one is out there. It depends on what you want and how you think. The thing that should now be clear to everyone which I have mentioned over and over is that UF starts its shopping at Dollar Tree and ends it there. Other programs start at LVMH, Nieman's, Saks, etc. etc. They may buy there or they may end up at Wal Mart also, but it is all about the thought process. Some will clearly end up with prettier, nicer made merchandise, but it does not mean it will outlast the Dollar Tree purchase.

This is my whole issue... The admin went cheap and easy... We are competing with Vandy, Ole Piss, Miss State, etc... for coaching talent... programs we are supposed to be on the same level with are competing amongst themselves. Stricklin is the Mullen of coach recruiting.

dz_23 · Nov 30, 2021

Durty South Swamp said:
you honestly can't actually believe the garbage you've been posting the last week. One heck of a troll job, bravo.

You guys don't take sarcasm well. Wow

I’m repeating what these idiots are saying over here.

oxrageous · Nov 30, 2021

TheDouglas78 said:
This is my whole issue... The admin went cheap and easy... We are competing with Vandy, Ole Piss, Miss State, etc... for coaching talent... programs we are supposed to be on the same level with are competing amongst themselves. Stricklin is the Mullen of coach recruiting.

The current admin is not going to hand out a $100 million contract to any one coach. Period. That's just the way it is.

Avenger48c · Nov 30, 2021

I wonder if Brian Kelly is betting on the SEC going to a pod system? I don't see him beating Saban while at LSU, but he might not have to if the pods line up right.

Either way, he's a consistent 2-4 loss coach every year in the SEC. I'd be surprised if he makes an SECCG, let alone the Playoff.

PCGatorAlum · Nov 30, 2021

UFHealthGator said:
Maybe this may sound crazy, but even in CFB money does not come from an infinite pit. If the program overpays so egregiously for a HC other aspects would probably suffer from less capital. Not to mention a program stuck with an insanely massive buyout means that the program could potentially be stuck with a bad hire for a much longer time than they would otherwise desire.

Wait till we have to start paying players. Only the truly big pocket schools will be able to compete after that happens and it’s on its way.

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