Recruiting 2023 Recruiting Thread: 4* OT Caden Jones completes the class

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I totally agree that there is plenty of blame to go around. If the NCAA hadn't been so unbelievably stupid and greedy we may have avoided this schytfest. But while we're at it, don't forget the likes of Jimbo Fisher, et al, for turning what could have been a manageable accommodation into a total goat phukk. I'm sure there are other factors, but I'm too lazy and butt hurt to think about it anymore.
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I gave you a like for Jimbo Fisher and goat phukk being in the same sentence.
 

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Fcukers aren't getting any of my money
For real. We didn't create this situation. We've been supportive for years through crap decisions and coaches.
 

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A species known as Amateurs went extinct. We'll have to catch them on the Smithownian Channel.
 

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What the Fuchs does that have to do with anything?

What a travesty supply and demand is, right?

I often cry myself to sleep thinking of the terrible evils capitalism has wrought upon us.
the topic is about whether ppl like you or I should feel obligated or guilt tripped into giving money to some "collective" that eventually makes it's way into players hands. I'm a simple man, but I fail to see why I should pay someone who doesn't work for me, to do something. If we're going to spin this as "capitalism", then my right to keep my money in my pocket is just as legitimate as yours to fork it out for some college kids playing a game.
 

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You got that part right. :lol:

The supreme court ruling doesn't have anything to do with the players being exploited, the value of scholarships or what the kids "deserve."

The NCAA can still tell the teams that they can't pay the players, and they can still regulate the scholarships and what they include.

The SCOTUS ruling said that they can't stop a player from selling his autograph or letting the local car dealership pay a player to use his image in an ad on the basis that it violates antitrust laws.

MJMs point was that if the NCAA had allowed it to some extent in a controlled way, it wouldn't have gotten to the supreme court and the ruling that effectively ends any chance of the NCAA having any say whatsoever.
 

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You got that part right. :lol:

The supreme court ruling doesn't have anything to do with the players being exploited, the value of scholarships or what the kids "deserve."

The NCAA can still tell the teams that they can't pay the players, and they can still regulate the scholarships and what they include.

The SCOTUS ruling said that they can't stop a player from selling his autograph or letting the local car dealership pay a player to use his image in an ad on the basis that it violates antitrust laws.

MJMs point was that if the NCAA had allowed it to some extent in a controlled way, it wouldn't have gotten to the supreme court and the ruling that effectively ends any chance of the NCAA having any say whatsoever.

Yes I am aware of that. I’m not sure the relevance of the comment. I’m saying that the resistance from the NCAA to open things up in “a controlled setting” absolutely had merit. This was going to go south regardless of how it was implemented. Maybe it delays the inevitable, and definitely they maintain more relevance, but the moment it was legal for college kids to get a dollar from the school or those associated with it, we were ending up here. I don’t know how anyone could conclude otherwise.
 

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I’m saying that the resistance from the NCAA to open things up in “a controlled setting” absolutely had merit.
Regardless of whether it had any merit, the end result which is now known is that they have no control whatsoever. Hindsight being 20/20 we can now see it was a poor decision by the NCAA.
 

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Regardless of whether it had any merit, the end result which is now known is that they have no control whatsoever. Hindsight being 20/20 we can now see it was a poor decision by the NCAA.

I’m not sure I’ve got a good grasp on NIL, but I think the antitrust issue was coming eventually. Wouldn’t the restraint of a player from reaping the benefit of his NIL for the sake of competitive balance when you control the market would require an antitrust exemption?

That’s one thing for AR, who could easily get a car dealership sponsorship, as he has. But that Maryland DT - who ever heard of him before he hit the portal? Does he add value to da u or are they adding value to him? Teams offering a means to broker that value seems inevitable, but how does that not become an auction house? A star or even a member of the team at Bama’s value vs. a star at Vandy? That’s real. The gap only widens.

Just thinking out loud…learning from you all.
 

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I’m not sure I’ve got a good grasp on NIL, but I think the antitrust issue was coming eventually. Wouldn’t the restraint of a player from reaping the benefit of his NIL for the sake of competitive balance when you control the market would require an antitrust exemption?

That’s one thing for AR, who could easily get a car dealership sponsorship, as he has. But that Maryland DT - who ever heard of him before he hit the portal? Does he add value to da u or are they adding value to him? Teams offering a means to broker that value seems inevitable, but how does that not become an auction house? A star or even a member of the team at Bama’s value vs. a star at Vandy? That’s real. The gap only widens.

Just thinking out loud…learning from you all.
This is exactly one of the points people don't consider. The kids need the schools far more than the school needs the kids. The level of competition is inconsequential to a point. Florida fans will still watch Florida Football and the same with other schools. Just take a look at high school stadiums across the country. Hell, more people attend Miami HS games on Friday night than UM games on Saturday. So UF would still have TV contracts and merchandising flying off the shelves, provided that other schools were on the same level.

On the other hand, no one would give two rips about Gervon Dexter if he played for a minor league team in Tampa. He wouldn't have the following and wouldn't have the NIL deals he has today. Very very few would. These players' fame are tie to the University and their hierarchy on the team. No one cares about a minor league player.

In the meantime, we have scholarships wasted on kids who can't be educated, commit sexual assault, simple assault, theft, fraud, gun crimes, and the list goes on. Not to mention drugs. The majority of these fuchers can't talk and sound like mushmouth from Fat Albert. The whole thing is an absolute waste, you fuchers want me to send money to support these kids. Fuch that. If I want to support an illiterate who has no business being on campus, I'll find Sally Struthers.
 

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Wouldn’t the restraint of a player from reaping the benefit of his NIL for the sake of competitive balance when you control the market would require an antitrust exemption?
I think it's pretty clear what they were doing was unlawful. But someone still has to challenge it in the courts. If the NCAA had allowed it in a controlled way, would they have been challenged? We'll never know at this point.
 

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Regardless of whether it had any merit, the end result which is now known is that they have no control whatsoever. Hindsight being 20/20 we can now see it was a poor decision by the NCAA.

We can agree it was handled poorly if they had any indication this was possibly coming. And you and MJM may be correct that a controlled release would’ve been more effective. I’m just not sure how that would’ve looked or worked.

Where I fully agree with @alcoholica is that the message has been completely hijacked and you’d think the kids weren’t, or still aren’t, getting their end of the bargain. I’ve said exactly the same thing. UF, along with every other P5 school would be fine without these types of players, if everyone goes that route. Not the same, imo, for the players. Good football is extremely subjective. Fans don’t show up for Vanderbilt football because they play Florida, georgia and Alabama type teams. Give them a fairly level playing field and that would change. A good example would be Kentucky. Their fans don’t have illusions of winning a NC, but they’re finally seeing a product on the field that somewhat resembles the opponent. If college football went back to players who want to play for a particular school while getting an education, nothing would change in terms of the draw and excitement.

I realize that’s not the issue you’re debating. Just pointing that out. I don’t see the current model as being even remotely sustainable.
 

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When it took me 8 months to get an MRI while serving my country and these fcukers can get one at halftime, they don't need extra money. Certainly not my $12.
 

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They want people to pay with no guarantee of results or say in how the money is spent. Taxes are the same except we get a choice with this.
 

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