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TheDouglas78;n29640 said:
When did this become a bitch session about the wise and noble Law?
He's brought up in every single damn thread even when he hasn't contributed. I felt it was time to address it. I agree, let's move on.
 

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That's never happened a single time.
I don't believe one iota of this. If you'll remember right, law had the most posts of anyone on the GSMB. He was as big of a pumper as ANY of us before the last couple of years. I don't consider you, myself, or anyone else on this board a bigger Gator fan than he is. As far as I know, he's been a proud alum for a long, long time. He didn't just show up one day and start trolling, or he WOULD have been banned. He was right there for years with the rest of us enjoying the Tebow era and ripping our rivals to shreds.
He's just pissed. That is something he told me privately once. He sees Muschamp as taking his beloved Gators and grinding them under his feet. He's mad at what has been done to the program under this coach. He's mad at the bar being lowered. I think he's also incredulous that a lot of fans aren't as mad as he is.
Is he alone in thinking this way? Not at all. As of right this moment, law represents the feelings of a significant chunk of the Gator Nation. This is another reason I was so pissed myself that Muschamp was retained, because I knew it would continue to tear the fan base apart. I knew the offseason would be a nightmare, I knew expectations would be in the gutter, and I didn't want to see it. I don't want to see the look of disgust on people's faces when Muschamp's name is brought up. It's horrible. This is our team, and so many of us can't stomach their chosen leader.
Until the season starts, this is the way it is. I'm not going to censor law, because he feels the way a lot of people do. This isn't Swamp Gas - I'm not just going to silence Gator fans for not toeing the line. We didn't just go 4-8 last season, we were humiliated in every way possible. Fans are upset, and it's not going to just disappear overnight. Once the ball is kicked off, we're going to be able to see what kind of progress this team has made for ourselves. If law turns out to be wrong, then he'll have to deal with the consequences. And if others choose to be optimistic, that's great too. They just have to accept not everyone feels the same way.
If you want to blame someone for any of this, blame Jeremy Foley. He had a chance to make a change and declined. He is absolutely aware of the war going on in the fan base.
Saying all that, I'll say it again: Winning cures EVERYTHING, even with fans as bitter as law. We beat a few rivals and maybe hoist an SEC Championship trophy, you're going to see happy days here again. It's just a message board, let's have fun.


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oxrageous said:
TheDouglas78;n29640 said:
When did this become a bitch session about the wise and noble Law?
He's brought up in every single damn thread even when he hasn't contributed. I felt it was time to address it. I agree, let's move on.
The same way he brings up Muschamp in threads that have nothing to do with him.
 

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oxrageous;n29534 said:
That's never happened a single time.
I don't believe one iota of this. If you'll remember right, law had the most posts of anyone on the GSMB. He was as big of a pumper as ANY of us before the last couple of years. I don't consider you, myself, or anyone else on this board a bigger Gator fan than he is. As far as I know, he's been a proud alum for a long, long time. He didn't just show up one day and start trolling, or he WOULD have been banned. He was right there for years with the rest of us enjoying the Tebow era and ripping our rivals to shreds.
He's just pissed. That is something he told me privately once. He sees Muschamp as taking his beloved Gators and grinding them under his feet. He's mad at what has been done to the program under this coach. He's mad at the bar being lowered. I think he's also incredulous that a lot of fans aren't as mad as he is.
Is he alone in thinking this way? Not at all. As of right this moment, law represents the feelings of a significant chunk of the Gator Nation. This is another reason I was so pissed myself that Muschamp was retained, because I knew it would continue to tear the fan base apart. I knew the offseason would be a nightmare, I knew expectations would be in the gutter, and I didn't want to see it. I don't want to see the look of disgust on people's faces when Muschamp's name is brought up. It's horrible. This is our team, and so many of us can't stomach their chosen leader.
Until the season starts, this is the way it is. I'm not going to censor law, because he feels the way a lot of people do. This isn't Swamp Gas - I'm not just going to silence Gator fans for not toeing the line. We didn't just go 4-8 last season, we were humiliated in every way possible. Fans are upset, and it's not going to just disappear overnight. Once the ball is kicked off, we're going to be able to see what kind of progress this team has made for ourselves. If law turns out to be wrong, then he'll have to deal with the consequences. And if others choose to be optimistic, that's great too. They just have to accept not everyone feels the same way.
If you want to blame someone for any of this, blame Jeremy Foley. He had a chance to make a change and declined. He is absolutely aware of the war going on in the fan base.
Saying all that, I'll say it again: Winning cures EVERYTHING, even with fans as bitter as law. We beat a few rivals and maybe hoist an SEC Championship trophy, you're going to see happy days here again. It's just a message board, let's have fun.


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GatorInKnox;n29562 said:
The only thing I have against Law is when he randomly condemns anyone and everyone who tries to stay remotely positive and almost baits people with some of his posts. Other than that he really is a great poster and clearly knows the game better than almost anyone. As stupid as that sounds, the overall energy of the fan base does feed into the team. The negativity from message boards, call-in shows, etc. does somehow manage to find it's way into the stadium. Those that try to stay positive in the suckiest of times and are still looking forward to a potentially good season shouldn't be slammed as pumpers.

But he's really, truly a wonderful Gator fan, if you'll just take time to get to know him better.

He once, in a moment of rare clarity, openly admitted to baiting posters and making life miserable for Gator fans on GSMB. He was in physical pain for the few weeks of Gator Nation being infatuated with the incredible basketball season and Final Four run, taking every possible moment to minimize and downplay that team and the fans who were loving it. In his trolling world, how dare we divert our attention from Muschamp and Driskel for a few feel-good weeks. Most of us already know this, I'm just trying to educate the new posters here who may not be keen to his trolling ways, or the idea that many from GSMB have always been skeptical of him, depsite his one or two influential proponents.
 

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oxrageous;n29534 said:
That's never happened a single time.
I don't believe one iota of this. If you'll remember right, law had the most posts of anyone on the GSMB. He was as big of a pumper as ANY of us before the last couple of years. I don't consider you, myself, or anyone else on this board a bigger Gator fan than he is. As far as I know, he's been a proud alum for a long, long time. He didn't just show up one day and start trolling, or he WOULD have been banned. He was right there for years with the rest of us enjoying the Tebow era and ripping our rivals to shreds.
He's just pissed. That is something he told me privately once. He sees Muschamp as taking his beloved Gators and grinding them under his feet. He's mad at what has been done to the program under this coach. He's mad at the bar being lowered. I think he's also incredulous that a lot of fans aren't as mad as he is.
Is he alone in thinking this way? Not at all. As of right this moment, law represents the feelings of a significant chunk of the Gator Nation. This is another reason I was so pissed myself that Muschamp was retained, because I knew it would continue to tear the fan base apart. I knew the offseason would be a nightmare, I knew expectations would be in the gutter, and I didn't want to see it. I don't want to see the look of disgust on people's faces when Muschamp's name is brought up. It's horrible. This is our team, and so many of us can't stomach their chosen leader.
Until the season starts, this is the way it is. I'm not going to censor law, because he feels the way a lot of people do. This isn't Swamp Gas - I'm not just going to silence Gator fans for not toeing the line. We didn't just go 4-8 last season, we were humiliated in every way possible. Fans are upset, and it's not going to just disappear overnight. Once the ball is kicked off, we're going to be able to see what kind of progress this team has made for ourselves. If law turns out to be wrong, then he'll have to deal with the consequences. And if others choose to be optimistic, that's great too. They just have to accept not everyone feels the same way.
If you want to blame someone for any of this, blame Jeremy Foley. He had a chance to make a change and declined. He is absolutely aware of the war going on in the fan base.
Saying all that, I'll say it again: Winning cures EVERYTHING, even with fans as bitter as law. We beat a few rivals and maybe hoist an SEC Championship trophy, you're going to see happy days here again. It's just a message board, let's have fun.


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oxrageous;n29582 said:
So put him on your ignore list.

Did you have Sid or Canething on your ignore list? Not trying to be a smart ass, just genuinely curious.
 

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The Original DC;n29683 said:
Did you have Sid or Canething on your ignore list? Not trying to be a smart ass, just genuinely curious.


I had Law on my ignore list when we were still on GSMB (At one point, Ox was close to getting on my ignore list as well for a month or so when he was in a serious trolling mode). I didn't know such an option existed on this board, so I have just opted to not read Law's posts.
If someone were to provide me with instructions on how to get him on my ignore list, then I'd do it.
 

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GatorInKnox said:
The only thing I have against Law is when he randomly condemns anyone and everyone who tries to stay remotely positive and almost baits people with some of his posts. Other than that he really is a great poster and clearly knows the game better than almost anyone. As stupid as that sounds, the overall energy of the fan base does feed into the team. The negativity from message boards, call-in shows, etc. does somehow manage to find it's way into the stadium. Those that try to stay positive in the suckiest of times and are still looking forward to a potentially good season shouldn't be slammed as pumpers.
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The Original DC;n29683 said:
Did you have Sid or Canething on your ignore list? Not trying to be a smart ass, just genuinely curious.


I had Law on my ignore list when we were still on GSMB (At one point, Ox was close to getting on my ignore list as well for a month or so when he was in a serious trolling mode). I didn't know such an option existed on this board, so I have just opted to not read Law's posts.
If someone were to provide me with instructions on how to get him on my ignore list, then I'd do it.
Instruction in the Forum Issues Forum.
 

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Gatorbreath;n29566 said:
How can we have fun when every friggin thread is hijacked by by the resident Doom-n-Gloomers to remind us how miserable they are?
Law's mom: "Hi, dear. How are you?"
Law: "How do you think? Muschimp is a doofus and loser and...

Law's boss: "What time do you have to be in court today?"
Law: "Who cares? Muscramp can't walk and chew gum at the same time."

Law's girlfriend: "Law, make love to me."
Law: "How can you think about love when Dusramp while is still coaching?"​

I never thought of Law as a troll and for a time while I lurked on the old board I enjoyed some of his posts. We get it. You hate Muschamp and where the program is. To some degree or another, we ALL FEEL THE SAME WAY.

But, let one pass every now and then. Or, address the topic of the thread without reminding us YOU HATE MUSCHAMP.

Thank you.
So put him on your ignore list.
Did it not long after you started this board.
 

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oxrageous;n29534 said:
That's never happened a single time.


I don't believe one iota of this. If you'll remember right, law had the most posts of anyone on the GSMB. He was as big of a pumper as ANY of us before the last couple of years. I don't consider you, myself, or anyone else on this board a bigger Gator fan than he is. As far as I know, he's been a proud alum for a long, long time. He didn't just show up one day and start trolling, or he WOULD have been banned. He was right there for years with the rest of us enjoying the Tebow era and ripping our rivals to shreds.

He's just pissed. That is something he told me privately once. He sees Muschamp as taking his beloved Gators and grinding them under his feet. He's mad at what has been done to the program under this coach. He's mad at the bar being lowered. I think he's also incredulous that a lot of fans aren't as mad as he is.

Is he alone in thinking this way? Not at all. As of right this moment, law represents the feelings of a significant chunk of the Gator Nation. This is another reason I was so pissed myself that Muschamp was retained, because I knew it would continue to tear the fan base apart. I knew the offseason would be a nightmare, I knew expectations would be in the gutter, and I didn't want to see it. I don't want to see the look of disgust on people's faces when Muschamp's name is brought up. It's horrible. This is our team, and so many of us can't stomach their chosen leader.

Until the season starts, this is the way it is. I'm not going to censor law, because he feels the way a lot of people do. This isn't Swamp Gas - I'm not just going to silence Gator fans for not toeing the line. We didn't just go 4-8 last season, we were humiliated in every way possible. Fans are upset, and it's not going to just disappear overnight. Once the ball is kicked off, we're going to be able to see what kind of progress this team has made for ourselves. If law turns out to be wrong, then he'll have to deal with the consequences. And if others choose to be optimistic, that's great too. They just have to accept not everyone feels the same way.

If you want to blame someone for any of this, blame Jeremy Foley. He had a chance to make a change and declined. He is absolutely aware of the war going on in the fan base.

Saying all that, I'll say it again: Winning cures EVERYTHING, even with fans as bitter as law. We beat a few rivals and maybe hoist an SEC Championship trophy, you're going to see happy days here again. It's just a message board, let's have fun.


I tend to believe everything you wrote. The problem that all of these reasonable people have with him is that he has consistently demonstrated that he will take drive-by cheap shots at "our team's" head coach and starting quarterback even when the thread is about completely different things. He goes out of his way to make the same, repetitive negative comments about the state and direction of our program and it's two most prominent members. All the while, shaping the culture of the board(s) he participates in drastically toward the negative, while at the same time irritating many, if not the majority, by his self-centered insistence that he speak his mind.

There were other posters who have voiced very similar sentiments, sometimes "beating a dead horse," but they have nonetheless relented. In my opinion (admittedly as someone who has never moderated a message board), I'm glad that you wouldn't immediately ban him. However, you (and others) have not been active enough in ensuring that he doesn't do what my first paragraph describes. When you repeatedly post the same negative comments, often in unrelated threads, that irritate others and enflame discussions, you should be called to order by the mods. As a prolifc poster, he has been given too much leeway to behave badly, to put it simply. Another angle on this is that many have asked him to change his posting habits and cut down on the incessant, unnecessary, and unproductive negativity. To my knowledge he has not complied in the least to his fellow board members' requests. This should have brought him into check whether or not any mod took action to call him to order.

You say, "Until the season starts, this is the way it is." That is because you allow it to be that way.

One more thing, I am incredulous that anyone would presume to know what all went into Foley's decision to stay with Muschamp for another season. I am certain that he put as much thought into the decision, was vastly more informed, and is much more skilled and experienced at making these decisions than anyone we've heard questioning him. If he thought that was the play to make, he's earned Gator fan's trust for at least one off-season.

I hope we dominate teams this year and wildly surpass everyone's expectations. ...primarily because I'm a hopeful fan! However, I'd love to see all the naysayers, chiefly Law, eat a mountain of crow. I wouldn't be one shoving it in his face, but I suspect he'd take a good portion of what he has dished out.
 

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Captain Sasquatch;n29555 said:
Fairweather fans are protected while optimism breeds cynicism.
Everyone is protected unless they completely step over the line, including you. And you're damn right there's going to be cynicism coming off a season like that - it was my entire point. Fans are irrational, emotional jackasses and always have been. You ever read a game thread?
I don't think you'll find me being an emotional jackass in a game thread or elsewhere. That's not a requirement for being a fan. Even if "all fans" behave that way, the kind of sustained and obtrusive cynicism has been nourished and tended. This goes beyond reactions or even sharing opinions.
 

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GatorInKnox;n29562 said:
The only thing I have against Law is when he randomly condemns anyone and everyone who tries to stay remotely positive and almost baits people with some of his posts. Other than that he really is a great poster and clearly knows the game better than almost anyone. As stupid as that sounds, the overall energy of the fan base does feed into the team. The negativity from message boards, call-in shows, etc. does somehow manage to find it's way into the stadium. Those that try to stay positive in the suckiest of times and are still looking forward to a potentially good season shouldn't be slammed as pumpers.

But he's really, truly a wonderful Gator fan, if you'll just take time to get to know him better.

He once, in a moment of rare clarity, openly admitted to baiting posters and making life miserable for Gator fans on GSMB. He was in physical pain for the few weeks of Gator Nation being infatuated with the incredible basketball season and Final Four run, taking every possible moment to minimize and downplay that team and the fans who were loving it. In his trolling world, how dare we divert our attention from Muschamp and Driskel for a few feel-good weeks. Most of us already know this, I'm just trying to educate the new posters here who may not be keen to his trolling ways, or the idea that many from GSMB have always been skeptical of him, depsite his one or two influential proponents.
He doesn't troll any blogs on GS or GC by the handle "Snowprint" or NRTCZE or something like that, does he ?? Not sure if you've seen those trolls but they hit EVERY story on both sites.
 

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Now. I'm done unless Ox engages me about this.

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The Original DC;n29680 said:
But he's really, truly a wonderful Gator fan, if you'll just take time to get to know him better.

He once, in a moment of rare clarity, openly admitted to baiting posters and making life miserable for Gator fans on GSMB. He was in physical pain for the few weeks of Gator Nation being infatuated with the incredible basketball season and Final Four run, taking every possible moment to minimize and downplay that team and the fans who were loving it. In his trolling world, how dare we divert our attention from Muschamp and Driskel for a few feel-good weeks. Most of us already know this, I'm just trying to educate the new posters here who may not be keen to his trolling ways, or the idea that many from GSMB have always been skeptical of him, depsite his one or two influential proponents.
I guess I've never taken him seriously enough to get as upset about it as you. He was given several vacations on the GSMB for being a deliberate troublemaker, so for people to say nothing has ever been done simply isn't true. I certainly have no problem giving them here.

I also don't recall him bashing the basketball team during the Final Four run. Not saying it didn't happen, just don't remember it.
 

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EuroGator;n29714 said:
You say, "Until the season starts, this is the way it is." That is because you allow it to be that way.
There are strong personalities on this board, and sometimes they clash. I personally love it - it's what always set us apart. This board is not for everyone.
 

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Before this nonsense gets any further and drags on for yet another season, I'll address the situation with law.
 

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We've added two powderpuff victories to the schedule over the last few years. I love how returning to Zook level is the only realistic option and anyone who suggests that 4-6 losses is unacceptable are people who "aren't being reasonable".

If Muschimp can't get win a championship his dawg smelling azzz should be fired.

Being a third tier SEC team (9-4, 8-5, 7-6) isn't good enough around here. I love how you just write off being competitive enough to compete with mighty LSU or Ugly. Hell, Zook beat those chumps.

You people are disgusting.
Nobody says it is acceptable, but if you are expecting a 4-8 to 13-0 turn around, then you aren't be realistic... oh.. wait.. I forgot who posted this.. nevermind.
 

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