Was Mac smart?

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And if I'm still kicking I will be there. I have been but now for sure a Harbaugh hater. Want to see him get his azz handed to him in person.
It looked to me like the defense quit or at least played with no energy. Harbaugh is a good coach but Meyer will keep him humble. As far as Mac's overall bowl strategy is concerned, it's hard to define. I do feel like a positive play here or there might have changed the outcome but as my son said while we watched, nobody made a play the whole game.
 

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I'm a fan of Mac but not so much endeared to his approach to the bowl. But then again, I'm a relic and many of my views are 20 years old or more. My opinion is clearly our team was not focused in terms of efficiently and consistently competing with the goal of defeating Michigan as the primary goal.

I think we moved the ball well enough in the first half to score more than a single TD (on a trick play no less). Much of it can be attributed to Treon and his legs, though he did make some good throws. However, his poor decision-making reared its head at a most inopportune time and our OL play was extremely poor yet again. Goolsby's drop of what may have been one of Treon's better throws this season summed up, to me, our lack of focus offensively.

Defensively, I think we played with more aggression (front seven) than we did proper technique and discipline. Brantley and others on the DL got way too far upfield too often trying to make a big play and the result was leaving an unprotected gap that the Wolverine backs could read and exploit. Likewise with the LBs. Davis (prior to his stinger) and Morrison took too many false steps that allowed them to get penned by a backside OL, leaving a wide cutback lane that, again, the UM RBs easily found and gashed us with. The secondary play, for the most part, just plain stunk. Safety play, or lack thereof, stood out. When we were in one or two-high man, the safeties were often not in position to help the CBs. Hargreaves, as has happened some the latter part of the season, played undisciplined, got burned, and wound up looking like anything but a lock as a first rounder. Clearly, his head was elsewhere. Poole, bless his heart, was no factor.

All told, what had been the lynch pin of the team and was largely responsible for our ten wins wilted at the end. Again, I am both proud and a little surprised still that we won ten and the east this season, but the last three games kind of knocked the shine off of what was accomplished. I'll be interested to see how the bowl affects us in preparations for next year as well as a strong finish in recruiting, as I don't see all of the positives just yet. Losing a hard fought, competitive game is one thing, but getting trounced with an inconsistent and, dare I say, a lackluster performance is quite another. If winning the game was not paramount, then we either have some prioritization that needs adjusting or my way of thinking does not and will not jive with that of the era we find ourselves in if yesterday is any indication of such.


Cover 2 you are right on target.
i also was really disappointed and baffled with the teams Defensive performance.

Question? Was the conversation coach Mac had with Treon immediately after the ill advised pass
somehow change the offenses performance in the 2nd half ?
 

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Harbaugh>Mac

Lets be honest. No one will like the above but Harbaugh just beat the tar out of a way more talented UF team.
Far more talented?
 

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I wouldn't say UF is more talented than Meatchicken at this point. We have a lot of talent but it appears they have more of it. They're OL top to bottom was dominant. RB's the same. QB alone was a huge difference maker. I won't even touch the Defense. That alone there is enough to prove that point.
 

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VH3s stock isnt hurt, even a liitlle. Some of you people are clueless.

The first TD was two safeties high. The CB takes flat zone and safeties take deep halves. Maye sleeping like always and wasnt even close.

Second TD was one high. The only safety takes deep but corners have to drop deeper take outside routes and make sure safety doesnt have two or more receivers threatening deep. It was a post route running right at Maye in the middle. No excuse. No clue what he was doing bc there was no play fake either. He just wasnt watching the receivers I guess.

Simple explanation for you guys.
You should see:
Safety deepest, receiver, then corner

You should NOT see:
receiver, corner, and safety come into the screen 1.5 seconds later.

Dont worry. The scouts know wazzup.
I doubt Hargreaves' draft status drops either, but there is no denying that his play of late has been inconsistent and undisciplined. Not what you expect of a guy with his ability and the son of a football coach. As for the coverages, I beg to differ. We were in man-under in both of the coverages alluded to. On the TD, Hargreaves got caught peeking at the QB and left his man (who caught the easiest TD of his career) to try and jump a short route that was covered. No way the safety defends by himself on that play as the receiver cornered to the end zone. The second play was poor by the safety, but Hargreaves was two steps behind on the skinny post and we were dead when the QB lead the receiver away from the coverage with a well thrown ball. We weren't in press man, so if Vernon is sinking at the snap, he should have been on the guy's hip at least with his skill set IMO. I'm thinking he guessed rather than reading the route while sinking.
 

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I thought it was a big mistake, especially for recruiting. Teams develop a reputation. People are going to remember the collapse at the end of the season. This year the Gators were not winners (even though they won the East); they will be known as quitters. It DOES matter how you finish.
 

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Cover 2 you are right on target.
i also was really disappointed and baffled with the teams Defensive performance.

Question? Was the conversation coach Mac had with Treon immediately after the ill advised pass
somehow change the offenses performance in the 2nd half ?
Thanks '52. I don't think Mac's conversation with Treon had a greater effect on the offense than my perception of their unwillingness to compete at a higher level with their backs to the wall. Might have affected Treon's performance, which to that point had not been as bad as the previous two games IMO. The fact that he supposedly told Mac that he thought it was 4th down is either a BS excuse or tantamount to an admission of being a dumbass. Either way, that confirms what many have known for a while and that is he isn't the guy to lead us. I suspect some of his teammates realize this as well. Still, that should not be an excuse to not compete to the best of your abilities. That is a sign of overall immaturity where much of the team is concerned in my opinion and may relate to a lack of leadership by the upperclassmen.
 

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I don't always understand anything coaches do. It's his team, it's his neck, he can do what he wants. I trust he knows the mood and internal chemistry of the team better than we do. Maybe he was aware they checked out and so he made the call based on the future accordingly.
 

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Thanks '52. I don't think Mac's conversation with Treon had a greater effect on the offense than my perception of their unwillingness to compete at a higher level with their backs to the wall. Might have affected Treon's performance, which to that point had not been as bad as the previous two games IMO. The fact that he supposedly told Mac that he thought it was 4th down is either a BS excuse or tantamount to an admission of being a dumbass. Either way, that confirms what many have known for a while and that is he isn't the guy to lead us. I suspect some of his teammates realize this as well. Still, that should not be an excuse to not compete to the best of your abilities. That is a sign of overall immaturity where much of the team is concerned in my opinion and may relate to a lack of leadership by the upperclassmen.

Cover you're spot on with this and your other posts.

I've said this for a while. TH plays with absolutely no emotion, leadership, or any fire period. At least he should act pissed off he threw a bad INT. I think he is as you state he is not the guy to lead us and the team does know it. You know deep down that Mac doesn't like it all. Much as to his emotion in the presser looking forward to the "new guys coming in". We overachieved this year and need to mature in many areas of this team mentally and physically.
 

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Cover you're spot on with this and your other posts.

I've said this for a while. TH plays with absolutely no emotion, leadership, or any fire period. At least he should act pissed off he threw a bad INT. I think he is as you state he is not the guy to lead us and the team does know it. You know deep down that Mac doesn't like it all. Much as to his emotion in the presser looking forward to the "new guys coming in". We overachieved this year and need to mature in many areas of this team mentally and physically.

Nobody believes me, but I still say Treon is the one that turned Grier in for taking the banned over the counter whatever he took. They were supposedly best friends. If anybody knew what Grier was taking, it was Treon. I think he knew, and he told because he wanted to start. I have no proof, but none of you have proof he didn't. So there! Also explains why Grier is transferring. After your best friend squeals on you, you probably want to get as far away from the Benedict Arnold tattle tale as you can. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 

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Nobody believes me, but I still say Treon is the one that turned Grier in for taking the banned over the counter whatever he took. They were supposedly best friends. If anybody knew what Grier was taking, it was Treon. I think he knew, and he told because he wanted to start. I have no proof, but none of you have proof he didn't. So there! Also explains why Grier is transferring. After your best friend squeals on you, you probably want to get as far away from the Benedict Arnold tattle tale as you can. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Nothing at this point with that whole situation would surprise me in the least.
 

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I have no idea what Mac's thinking was going into this game, but if it didn't involve winning at all costs then I am in basic disagreement with the approach. I'm not ready to jump off a ledge, though. He's set a solid foundation for the future, recruited exceptionally well and a few added pieces will make all the difference in the world. It's officially Mac's team now and we can begin the evaluation in earnest.
 

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Nobody believes me, but I still say Treon is the one that turned Grier in for taking the banned over the counter whatever he took. They were supposedly best friends. If anybody knew what Grier was taking, it was Treon. I think he knew, and he told because he wanted to start. I have no proof, but none of you have proof he didn't. So there! Also explains why Grier is transferring. After your best friend squeals on you, you probably want to get as far away from the Benedict Arnold tattle tale as you can. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I thought Grier was caught by a RANDOM NCAA test? No need (or probable cause) to be throwing logs onto the fire here.

We still have many issues and holes to be filled, but does anyone (*) really think we would have managed 10 wins if Muschamp had still been the coach?



(* not eligible to vote on this: Muschamp, and his mother.)
 

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A few weeks ago, I was celebrating the fact that he would be back. I've reached the point now where I find the mere mention of Grier's name as annoying, or even more, than Muschamp's, which is saying a lot. I'm really over this ridiculous saga.
 

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I really don't want to witness another Harris play action read option run for your life chuck it late or hail mary pass again. I want Treon to be a Gator, just let's use his wheels at a different position.Thanks in advance.
 

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When I say this is on Mac, I am not being disrespectful or even argumentative. You know I am right. Mac deliberately decided to use the bowl practices to develop the returning players and he said that explicitly in his presser. I support the fact that he was building a program, not winning a game. But I wonder if he miscalculated. Against fsu and Bama the defense held strong into the 2nd half when it was obvious the offense could do nothing. This game, knowing Mac was using it merely to develop players, the defense made absolutely no effort to play. The offense got better than 200 yards in first half. The defense never played. This will have ramifications for recruiting, support, backing for him as head coach, etc. In year three will we be better or worse for Mac's decision?

I don't think this game will have any effect on the future whatsoever. It won't have any more effect on recruiting than any other loss. By this time most guys have either picked their school or have a strong idea where they want to go. It does however put some understandable doubt in the minds of fans. In the last 4-5 games this team was every bit as bad as any Muschamp put on the field. At least for now I'm giving Mac a pass and have confidence that he knows what it will take to turn things around. I think the defense had zero juice from the get go and basically phoned it in in the second half. I think they didn't really give a flip about this game and it showed.

What this game reiterated is that we need an offensive line and a QB.
 

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