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pilot-in-fla

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In terms of actual facts, Paterno was only notified one time of problems with Sandusky's conduct and he related those to management. It would have been inappropriate and wrong for Paterno to have done anything other than what he did as he was not a trained child molestation investigator and, in any event, the only this he had was hearsay evidence.

It is ridiculous to suggest that Paterno should have been omniscient as regards what employees or former employees were doing on their own time or, for that matter, what was going on in the Penn State athletic department facilities.

Whether the school makes settlements for years past does not imply that people would have been dead over four years are somehow culpable. That is absurd.
 

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P-i-F nothing is going to convince you that Paterno has/had any responsibility in this. Given your statements, you probably believe that most women who are drunk and passed out are responsible for getting raped. You seem pretty insensitive to the fact that being physically violated by an adult is a crap ton of stuff to deal with. While this is a philosophical discussion at this point, your on the wrong side of this one.
 

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P-i-F nothing is going to convince you that Paterno has/had any responsibility in this. Given your statements, you probably believe that most women who are drunk and passed out are responsible for getting raped. You seem pretty insensitive to the fact that being physically violated by an adult is a crap ton of stuff to deal with. While this is a philosophical discussion at this point, your on the wrong side of this one.

Like I said, the only verified time that Paterno was notified of any untoward behavior, he took appropriate actions. Anything beyond that is pure unproven speculation.

What Sandusky did was outrageous and it is too bad it took so long for this to be uncovered. But that was not Joe Paterno's fault.

I've known two people who were criminally convicted of serious crimes. One was a guy who lived in a high rise apartment building and would strip naked and break into women's apartments in the middle of the night and assault them. The other was an older man who preyed on younger women. Trust me, there was nothing in either of their outward behavior to suggest those kind of activities.
 

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PIF, Paterno committed a crime by not calling the CPS authorities at 1-800-982-0313 = point of the law.
These schools are sent an info-packet every year stressing leaving nothing to doubt = report any suspicions,
rumors, etc. Report even when Statute of limitations has passed, even when victim is 18+ y.o. Child sexual
abuse slips detection more than any crime and children haven't the bravery or status to protect themselves.

Question : Did Paterno ever let his kids spend anytime alone with his great friend Sandusky ?
 

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Anyone that thinks there weren't NUMEROUS warning signs over the course of DECADES of child rape is a total moron. He showered with kids, took them on road trips sharing rooms, etc.. You cannot possibly believe that Paterno was only notified ONCE over the course of 4 decades about possible inappropriate behavior, can you? I can't believe he never personally witnessed inappropriate behavior over the span of 40 years. It's folks like PIF, with blinders on that allowed this to go on for as long as it did. Nothing should ever be put above the welfare of a child. **** Paterno, his family and that entire university. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 

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So, you don't really care if the claims are actually true.
Yes it matters if it is true. Don't think for one minute though that something 30-40 years ago doesn't mean anything though. Rape that happened 40 years ago is still rape. Police have covered for programs and powerful figures for decades. Not only that, but most of these victims were boys. Many were probably ashamed to admit this happened to them for decades. How many lives were destroyed to keep ole shucks, grampa has no clue what is going on for decades with his program JOPA squeaky clean. There is absolutely no way he didn't know something was up unless he was just a puppet. .
 

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PIF, Paterno committed a crime by not calling the CPS authorities at 1-800-982-0313 = point of the law.
These schools are sent an info-packet every year stressing leaving nothing to doubt = report any suspicions,
rumors, etc. Report even when Statute of limitations has passed, even when victim is 18+ y.o. Child sexual
abuse slips detection more than any crime and children haven't the bravery or status to protect themselves.

Question : Did Paterno ever let his kids spend anytime alone with his great friend Sandusky ?

LOL -- First of all, Sandusky was not a "great friend" of Paterno -- they didn't socialize at all. Secondly, Penn State hired a consultant at great expense to prepare a report laying out allegations against Paterno among others and that report never alleged criminal activity on the part of Paterno. So, I suspect your claim as an amateur prosecutor that Paterno is somehow guilty of a crime is unfounded.
 

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Yes it matters if it is true. Don't think for one minute though that something 30-40 years ago doesn't mean anything though. Rape that happened 40 years ago is still rape. Police have covered for programs and powerful figures for decades. Not only that, but most of these victims were boys. Many were probably ashamed to admit this happened to them for decades. How many lives were destroyed to keep ole shucks, grampa has no clue what is going on for decades with his program JOPA squeaky clean. There is absolutely no way he didn't know something was up unless he was just a puppet. .

At one point, some allegations were made regarding Sandusky's activities and a criminal investigation was opened. Incredible, Sandusky was cleared in that investigation.

But you apparent believe that Paterno, who saw Sandusky only at work, should somehow have been more perceptive regarding the subtle signs of child molestation than actual people trained in that field.
 

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Penn State hired this consultant and paid him a lot of money? And he didn't find anything wrong?

Shocking...
 

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Penn State hired this consultant and paid him a lot of money? And he didn't find anything wrong?

Shocking...

No, of course they found wrongdoing. My point was that the did not claim Paterno violated any laws as rogdocher claimed.
 

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Didn't Paterno claim he had no knowledge in the days leading up to his termination and also stated, "I wish I could've done more?" What other staff members witnessed sure fell on deaf ears when it was addressed to Paterno.
I do remember the "I wish I could have done more" comment was on the bottom of the ESPN channel.
 

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At one point, some allegations were made regarding Sandusky's activities and a criminal investigation was opened. Incredible, Sandusky was cleared in that investigation.

But you apparent believe that Paterno, who saw Sandusky only at work, should somehow have been more perceptive regarding the subtle signs of child molestation than actual people trained in that field.

"Years before Jerry Sandusky was charged with child sexual abuse, a psychologist told Penn State police in 1998 that the former assistant football coach acted the way a pedophile might.
In her assessment, Alycia Chambers described her involvement in a case in which the mother of a young boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate contact with him. A redacted version of that evaluation was published Saturday by NBC News.
"My consultants agree that the incidents meet all of our definitions, based on experience and education, of a likely pedophile's pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch, within a context of a 'loving,' 'special' relationship," Chambers wrote.
The assessment could be significant because it suggests the university was warned about Sandusky, in no uncertain terms, as early as 1998, but did not stop the alleged abuse."
 

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"Years before Jerry Sandusky was charged with child sexual abuse, a psychologist told Penn State police in 1998 that the former assistant football coach acted the way a pedophile might.
In her assessment, Alycia Chambers described her involvement in a case in which the mother of a young boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son and may have had inappropriate contact with him. A redacted version of that evaluation was published Saturday by NBC News.
"My consultants agree that the incidents meet all of our definitions, based on experience and education, of a likely pedophile's pattern of building trust and gradual introduction of physical touch, within a context of a 'loving,' 'special' relationship," Chambers wrote.
The assessment could be significant because it suggests the university was warned about Sandusky, in no uncertain terms, as early as 1998, but did not stop the alleged abuse."
But I'm sure Paterno had zero knowledge of any of these reports. :rolleyes3:
 

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PIF, I'm not playing amateur prosecutor. I have been a a legally obligated mandated reporter
for 35 years. required to annually attend seminars covering Child Abuse, Domestic Violence etc.
in order to keep my license. I was commanded by law to report Child Abuse and Domestic Violence
suspicions even when the victim did not want it reported. Mandated reporters are suppose to report
suspect "grooming behaviors" by anyone having "private audiences" with children.

PIF, you haven't read the Pennsylvania code 263p6303, or have you? Do so and it will prove where
all mandated reporters commit crime by failing to report right away to CPS/ 1-800-xxx-3013.

I'm not playing amateur prosecutor while the State Legislators did not play around as you are doing
with these generic denials defending Paterno. Read the legislation passed in 1976 and strengthened several
debated sessions to date - 1995 the latest, I believe. Those other PSU administrators await criminal prosecution
by the State ... they are still alive = thus prosecute-able and will be held criminally accountable. Since the
molestation suspicion went up the chain through Paterno, were he not dead, he would be among those
awaiting criminal prosecution.

I understand where this "piling on" a deceased Paterno upsets you, but the fuel for fervent pursuit to the truth does not exist because Paterno cannot be prosecuted. Just remember PSU paid self-declared victims who indicated
that they contacted Paterno decades ago. If these fiercely loyal PSU attorneys could have discredited these
claims they would not advise PSU to pay costly settlements. ??

Since I'm upset by your position and you by mine, that's evidence this belongs in the political
forum. ?? :confused:
 
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Any chance we can get a reconsideration of that PIF ban?

I vote "Yay", again.
 

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the mother of a young boy reported that Sandusky had showered with her son

Hell, everyone showers with young boys. Michael Jackson even slept naked with young naked boys, because Neverneverland... and bc you are racist if you think that is a problem.

What's the problem here anyway? Are you BOYPHOBIC????
 
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Actually if you saw Jay Paterno on Finebaum, that was his argument, that Joe and Sandusky were great friends and that his dad had Sandusky over a bunch to play with the kids, and if Joe thought Sandusky was some kind of sicko, why would he have him over to his house with the kids?

So Jay Paterno says they were great friends, but you say they werent? Cant keep stories straight?
 

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PIF, I'm not playing amateur prosecutor. I have been a a legally obligated mandated reporter
for 35 years. required to annually attend seminars covering Child Abuse, Domestic Violence etc.
in order to keep my license. I was commanded by law to report Child Abuse and Domestic Violence
suspicions even when the victim did not want it reported. Mandated reporters are suppose to report
suspect "grooming behaviors" by anyone having "private audiences" with children.

PIF, you haven't read the Pennsylvania code 263p6303, or have you? Do so and it will prove where
all mandated reporters commit crime by failing to report right away to CPS/ 1-800-xxx-3013.

I'm not playing amateur prosecutor while the State Legislators did not play around as you are doing
with these generic denials defending Paterno. Read the legislation passed in 1976 and strengthened several
debated sessions to date - 1995 the latest, I believe. Those other PSU administrators await criminal prosecution
by the State ... they are still alive = thus prosecute-able and will be held criminally accountable. Since the
molestation suspicion went up the chain through Paterno, were he not dead, he would be among those
awaiting criminal prosecution.

I understand where this "piling on" a deceased Paterno upsets you, but the fuel for fervent pursuit to the truth does not exist because Paterno cannot be prosecuted. Just remember PSU paid self-declared victims who indicated
that they contacted Paterno decades ago. If these fiercely loyal PSU attorneys could have discredited these
claims they would not advise PSU to pay costly settlements. ??

Since I'm upset by your position and you by mine, that's evidence this belongs in the political
forum. ?? :confused:

Was Paterno a mandated reporter (and was he aware of that status if that is true) at the single time he received notice of some questionable behavior by Sandusky in the form of hearsay in 2001? There was no such claim made in the Freeh report which was prepared for the school and designed to blame the entire series of events on Paterno (who was conveniently dead) and the people at the school charged with criminal offenses.

I'm not upset by your position but I believe it is wrong.
 

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