PD's Postulations on Chip Kelly debacle and Mullen hire

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While reporting Mike Gundy & Tennessee story, I have confirmed Florida officials had discussions w/Gundy. Former OSU coach Pat Jones said Monday UF had offered Gundy the job before hiring Dan Mullen


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Even an average offense gets us in the top 5.
Sounds like the guy seriously called out some of our fan base ............
I don’t agree with bashing the fan base. We should expect to be competing for championships 80% of the time. I won’t say 100% because even great programs have re-tooling years. We’ve endured some of the worst Gator football I’ve ever seen and that goes back to the early 70s. The program EARNED the wrath of the fan base.

I also think Dooley is FOS. If he knew all these things about the coaching search, candidates, negotiations, etc then why does he wait until AFTER to go public? He was either fed this story damn near verbatim from the UAA or he’s a pussy for not writing it during the search. Puppet or pussy?

That said, I’m content with the Mullen hire. I think he’ll provide much needed stability at this point in time while improving the product on the field significantly. Will he be able to get us over the hump and contend for championships? I doubt it, but I hope he makes me eat those words.
 

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Even when the online didn't exist during SOS tenure, we're still to blame.

Do not say a damn thing or the millionaires are gonna go to the media about it.
 

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Decent article but of course he had to play the, “it’s the fans fault” card. How pathetic and unoriginal. This fan base is no worse than any other top tier program fan base. While some of us complain loudly on social media, fans of schools like bama and LSU murder each other over games. It’s the fans fault... gtfo.
I guess you missed what the Tennessee fan base did this week. Yeah everybody bitches but some are worse than others. There seems to be a whole lot of public perception that we are near the Tennessee end of the spectrum. And like they used to tell me in the sales game, perception is reality.
 

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I don’t agree with bashing the fan base. We should expect to be competing for championships 80% of the time. I won’t say 100% because even great programs have re-tooling years. We’ve endured some of the worst Gator football I’ve ever seen and that go back to the early 70s. The program EARNED the wrath of the fan base.

I also think Dooley is FOS. If he knew all these things about the coaching search, candidates, negotiations, etc then why does he wait until AFTER to go public? He was either fed this story damn near verbatim from the UAA or he’s a pussy for not writing it during the search. Puppet or pussy?

That said, I’m content with the Mullen hire. I think he’ll provide much needed stability at this point in time while improving the product on the field significantly. Will he be able to get us over the hump and contend for championships? I doubt it, but I hope he makes me eat those words.

No programs compete for championships 80% of the time.

Great coaches can at times achieve that. Programs go through good and bad coaches.
 

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No programs compete for championships 80% of the time.

Great coaches can at times achieve that. Programs go through good and bad coaches.
Bama does. Bucknuts do. The Semis have. Clemson is. Oklahoma does.

I didn’t say win a Natty every year, but be in contention for a conference title 80% of the time. Hell, I’ll lower my expectations and settle for 75% of the time. :lol:
 

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My positives on the Dan Mullen hire:

(1) Mullen worked with Stricklin at Mississippi State. We already know our head coach and the AD can work together.

(2) While not an alum, Mullen was at UF for four years. He knows UF culture.He knows Gainesville. He's a Gator.

(3) Mullen was with Urban Meyer at UF, and though he left before Meyer did, he could see the mistakes Meyer was making in letting the program get out of hand and become a "broken program". Because Mullen knows this history he is in a position to take steps to avoid it in the future.

(4) Mullen has head coaching experience at a major football program. He will not have to learn on the job.

(5) Mullen has 9 years experience as a head coach at an SEC program. Invaluable. He knows the competition -- Saban, Malzahn, and Smart. He knows that in the SEC football is a religion not a Saturday afternoon past-time. "It means more."

(6) Mullen ran a pretty much scandal free program in Starkville. Administration will be proud.

(7) Mullen is an articulate speaker, knows how to meet the public, is something of a politician. To survive as a Yankee in Mississippi you have to be personable and Mullen did that and was that. He can shake your hand, look you in the eye, slap you on the back. He will do well on the Gator Club circuit.

(8) Mullen is in physical shape. He is not low energy. He ran the Boston Marathon a few years ago. Being in physical shape gives coaches confidence and players respect this.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...-dan-mullen-he-runs-boston-marathon/83180274/

(9) Mullen is confident yet humble. He was not "too good" to go to Starkville, Mississippi. I could not imagine Chip Kelly living in Starkville. You can't be a snob and thrive in Mississippi. Sometimes the job makes the man. In this case the man made the job.

(10) Mullen was here during the Urban Meyer championships. He knows what it takes to win championships.
 
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Really I don’t think anyone is saying we all should be whistling zippity f’ing doo da out of our bungholes over the hire of Dan Mullen. All we are saying is we are either on this ride or watching Scooby Doo reruns with the kiddos. Are we still going to be furious with a dive play that we feel should have been a Spurrier-esque post pattern? Are we going to blow our top when our defense gets torched like it has been every year we have played Bama? Absolutely! I have been cussing plays run by every HC/OC since Charlie Pell and I always will. The point of all this is going to be a ride with Mullen whether we like it or not. Might as well enjoy as much of it as possible. I was one of the few upset over the Meyer hire. I wanted Steve Spurrier back and was bitter over what he was allegedly told by Foley. What a fool I turned out to be! I admit it. Give Mullen a shot! I really hope he surprises me and I am going to be optimistic that he will. Dan, at least, acknowledges it and knows he will be held accountable. I am going to also enjoy watching the fires of Knoxville burn like they have done since the years of the Philopotamus.
 

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While reporting Mike Gundy & Tennessee story, I have confirmed Florida officials had discussions w/Gundy. Former OSU coach Pat Jones said Monday UF had offered Gundy the job before hiring Dan Mullen


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We may have offered him and he quickly said no... he knew he couldn’t play us for a raise like he did and is doing with UT currently.
 

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We’ll never know exactly what did or did not go down in this matter. And I’m certainly not going to take one source as the gospel truth, regardless of their position. But I will say that the more this drug on, the less optimistic I became about Kelly’s fit here. I mentioned several things in a thread a few weeks ago that were definite red flags for me. I also think you have to see the obvious that the school he picked happens to be in a town with two current NFL programs, neither of which have ultra stable coaching situations. As much as we hear about being a West coast guy, I also think the lure of the NFL is strong with him, and as I said before, his time in the league was certainly successful enough to earn him another shot. No doubt in my mind, we’d be facing a potential poaching every year if he did well here. A good agent is going to use leverage to get his client the best deal, and that may have been the case. But I don’t think it was because his heart was there, and I’ll be shocked if he’s actually at UCLA very long.
 
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Here's a question. If fireronzook.com never existed would the media continue to say this about us all the time. ever since that site went up they have acted like we are on a whole other level than any other fanbase.
 

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I guess you missed what the Tennessee fan base did this week. Yeah everybody *****es but some are worse than others. There seems to be a whole lot of public perception that we are near the Tennessee end of the spectrum. And like they used to tell me in the sales game, perception is reality.

I think UF and TN have comparable expectations, I just think UF has a greater chance of occasionally achieving those inflated expectations. TN hasn't been sh1t in 20 years after one national championship. Take out their NC and 4 years of Peyton you really have mostly an average SEC team.

I think you are right with perception is reality. I am sure UF fans are comparable to Bama, Auburn, TA&M, GA and TN - Bama is probably worse. Also outside of SEC include TX, Michigan, maybe Ohio State. The problem is we have had 3 mediocre hires run out of town, Meyer suffering a life crisis on the Gator's watch, and even some minor issues during the Spurrier years. UF's two national championship coaches for various reasons, mostly having little to do with fans, end up at different programs. The net result is the perception is that UF is among the worst.

Watching the Kelly presser he made a point of talking about his discussion with David Cutcliffe months ago who told him in so many words to avoid pressure cooker situations - presumably like TN and by extension UF. It was very obvious from that presser that Kelly really was never in the running, and if I had to guess the toxic UF perception may have played a part in Frost passing also.
 

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While reporting Mike Gundy & Tennessee story, I have confirmed Florida officials had discussions w/Gundy. Former OSU coach Pat Jones said Monday UF had offered Gundy the job before hiring Dan Mullen


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We probably had "discussions" with 100 coaches.

We basically send people out to all the used car lots and ask "how much is this one"?
 

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No programs compete for championships 80% of the time.

Great coaches can at times achieve that. Programs go through good and bad coaches.
Certain coaches compete for them 80% of the time. There's a handful of them doing so right now.
 

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Here's a question. If fireronzook.com never existed would the media continue to say this about us all the time. ever since that site went up they have acted like we are on a whole other level than any other fanbase.
It's really pretty simple, don't go out and hire the one former assistant coach that your entire fanbase hates.
 

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Most everyone here has some hang up about Mullen saying going here after Meyer left was a lateral move. I really don't blame him for that statement. He was at a school that does not expect championships they were content with winning seasons and who would want to follow a coach who just won two national championships and then left because the pressure was so high cause of one bad game in 2009 and a unfavorable season in 2010, where we went 8 and 5 most of us would kill to be 8 and 5 this year. I think Mullen knew the dumpster fire Meyer was leaving and knew the unrealistic expectations compared to starksville in winning. Now the tables have turned the last few years and Miss St. Fans expect wins and to compete with championships but the talent level and demographic turned out to be to hard to recruit the elite talent to make that next step. Yes he would get that elite QB but we all know it takes more than 1 player to win a championship. Teams need a Percy, Hernandez, Demps, Rainey, Pouncey brothers, Haden, Wright, and Spikes of the world to win and be successful. We now find ourselves being the team that expects championships but would settle for a winning season. Mullen always considered us an elite job but knew he could not deliver on the timeline we expected and did not want his dream head coaching job to become a nightmare.
 

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