Former Gators sentenced to prison, including Shane Matthews

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These kids were in elementary school when Hernandez played here.
Their parents werent. I can see negative recruiting. "UF had great academics and have put a bunch in the NFL. But, some of the players and staff your son will be around could beban issue. Hernandez, Leak, Grow, Mathews, Babbit ... Bad people"
 

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Their parents werent. I can see negative recruiting. "UF had great academics and have put a bunch in the NFL. But, some of the players and staff your son will be around could beban issue. Hernandez, Leak, Grow, Mathews, Babbit ... Bad people"
:lmao:

Sober up.
 

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Ok, Meyer.
Meyer? Matthews was recruited by Galen Hall (I think), Grow by Spurrier, Leak by Zook, etc.

You made a silly point. Miami is the king of "Thug U" and they aren't having any problems recruiting. People don't care what happened 10, 20, and damn near 30 years ago (when it comes to Matthews).

The REAL negative recruiting is "see how friggin awful their offense has been for 7 years? Do you really want to be a part of that?"
 

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Meyer? Matthews was recruited by Galen Hall (I think), Grow by Spurrier, Leak by Zook, etc.

You made a silly point. Miami is the king of "Thug U" and they aren't having any problems recruiting. People don't care what happened 10, 20, and damn near 30 years ago (when it comes to Matthews).

The REAL negative recruiting is "see how friggin awful their offense has been for 7 years? Do you really want to be a part of that?"
You have O&B blinders on. The kids care about w-l, facilities etc. Momma cares about academics and the type of people they'll be hanging around.
In the news : Hernandez, Mathews, Grow, Babbit, Credit Card Fraud...
Maybe your right ... parents of recruits don't care about those things.
Sad state of affairs if you ask me.
OH, almost guys forgot Corrine Brown.
 

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You have O&B blinders on. The kids care about w-l, facilities etc. Momma cares about academics and the type of people they'll be hanging around.
In the news : Hernandez, Mathews, Grow, Babbit, Credit Card Fraud...
Maybe your right ... parents of recruits don't care about those things.
Sad state of affairs if you ask me.
OH, almost guys forgot Corrine Brown.

Yep. USCw not getting players because of OJ. Ohio State having issues because of Jeffrey Dahmer. It’s an epidemic.
 

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Yep. USCw not getting players because of OJ. Ohio State having issues because of Jeffrey Dahmer. It’s an epidemic.
Recent news cycle folks. Im not talking about when they played.
Dahmer was a scholarship football player at ObooHoo St. ? I didn't know that.
 

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Monte Grow is a bad human. He just is. I have zero sympathy for him. I also suspect there were other bad actors involved. I can't believe Monte was smart enough to come up with this scheme on his own. It was a bad scheme, but I'm pretty sure it was well beyond Monte's mental capacities. I'm fine with him in the federal pen for a good long while.

I've met Shane several times. He always struck me as a decent guy. It's hard for me to believe he was more involved in this than he's letting on. He's pleading to the federal equivalent of a misdemeanor (punishable by up to a year) as opposed to the federal equivalent of a felony. That means when he's done with his time, he will still be able to get a decent job, vote, own a gun, etc.

The Feds don't give sweetheart deals to bad guys. They're good at what they do (well, unless they are investigating a Clinton). By the time they charge the case, it's already a done deal. They've got you. It's just a matter of what kind of plea deal they offer you. Remember Michael Vick? Everybody was talking about how no jury would convict him? If OJ got off on murder, Vick was surely going to walk for dogfighting? Ray Lewis walked too, right? Well, I said back then the state charges didn't matter but the federal charges were going to stick. Like Vick, this was a federal case. The Feds know what happened here. They know who they want to hammer. If they agreed to let Shane plea to a "misdemeanor" and a couple of months, his involvement was not significant. I wonder if the plea deal allows for a withhold of adjudication instead of a conviction? That would make the deal a little sweeter.


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Recent news cycle folks. Im not talking about when they played.
Dahmer was a scholarship football player at ObooHoo St. ? I didn't know that.
Btw ... A quick reference to Pedo U would stop my argument real quick. I don't understand how any parent would let their kid play football there.
 

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Monte Grow is a bad human. He just is. I have zero sympathy for him. I also suspect there were other bad actors involved. I can't believe Monte was smart enough to come up with this scheme on his own. It was a bad scheme, but I'm pretty sure it was well beyond Monte's mental capacities. I'm fine with him in the federal pen for a good long while.

I've met Shane several times. He always struck me as a decent guy. It's hard for me to believe he was more involved in this than he's letting on. He's pleading to the federal equivalent of a misdemeanor (punishable by up to a year) as opposed to the federal equivalent of a felony. That means when he's done with his time, he will still be able to get a decent job, vote, own a gun, etc.

The Feds don't give sweetheart deals to bad guys. They're good at what they do (well, unless they are investigating a Clinton). By the time they charge the case, it's already a done deal. They've got you. It's just a matter of what kind of plea deal they offer you. Remember Michael Vick? Everybody was talking about how no jury would convict him? If OJ got off on murder, Vick was surely going to walk for dogfighting? Ray Lewis walked too, right? Well, I said back then the state charges didn't matter but the federal charges were going to stick. Like Vick, this was a federal case. The Feds know what happened here. They know who they want to hammer. If they agreed to let Shane plea to a "misdemeanor" and a couple of months, his involvement was not significant. I wonder if the plea deal allows for a withhold of adjudication instead of a conviction? That would make the deal a little sweeter.


Alex.

I have a feeling if he made over 400k in that little time on this he knew Grow was clearly doing some illegal stuff. The Feds give out sweet deals all the time to the smaller dogs in a case. Heck it seems to me they are quicker to do it than many state attorneys.

Not saying Matthews is some horrible person but I have a feeling he clearly knew a scam was taking place.
 

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I have a feeling if he made over 400k in that little time on this he knew Grow was clearly doing some illegal stuff. The Feds give out sweet deals all the time to the smaller dogs in a case. Heck it seems to me they are quicker to do it than many state attorneys.

Not saying Matthews is some horrible person but I have a feeling he clearly knew a scam was taking place.

Agreed. Somebody believing that they were making approx. $450k working as a pharmaceutical sales rep part time for less than a year doesn’t pass the “I thought this was completely legit” smell test. He may not be a bad guy in other aspects of his life but I’m more inclined to believe he wasn’t completely naive about the situation. Maybe he was blinded by greed and the lure of “victimless”, easy money but his story doesn’t make sense IMO.
 

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Monte Grow is a bad human. He just is. I have zero sympathy for him. I also suspect there were other bad actors involved. I can't believe Monte was smart enough to come up with this scheme on his own. It was a bad scheme, but I'm pretty sure it was well beyond Monte's mental capacities. I'm fine with him in the federal pen for a good long while.

I've met Shane several times. He always struck me as a decent guy. It's hard for me to believe he was more involved in this than he's letting on. He's pleading to the federal equivalent of a misdemeanor (punishable by up to a year) as opposed to the federal equivalent of a felony. That means when he's done with his time, he will still be able to get a decent job, vote, own a gun, etc.

The Feds don't give sweetheart deals to bad guys. They're good at what they do (well, unless they are investigating a Clinton). By the time they charge the case, it's already a done deal. They've got you. It's just a matter of what kind of plea deal they offer you. Remember Michael Vick? Everybody was talking about how no jury would convict him? If OJ got off on murder, Vick was surely going to walk for dogfighting? Ray Lewis walked too, right? Well, I said back then the state charges didn't matter but the federal charges were going to stick. Like Vick, this was a federal case. The Feds know what happened here. They know who they want to hammer. If they agreed to let Shane plea to a "misdemeanor" and a couple of months, his involvement was not significant. I wonder if the plea deal allows for a withhold of adjudication instead of a conviction? That would make the deal a little sweeter.


Alex.

So true! Every current and former (especially FORMER) Gator should know this!
 

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Monte Grow is a bad human. He just is. I have zero sympathy for him. I also suspect there were other bad actors involved. I can't believe Monte was smart enough to come up with this scheme on his own. It was a bad scheme, but I'm pretty sure it was well beyond Monte's mental capacities. I'm fine with him in the federal pen for a good long while.

I've met Shane several times. He always struck me as a decent guy. It's hard for me to believe he was more involved in this than he's letting on. He's pleading to the federal equivalent of a misdemeanor (punishable by up to a year) as opposed to the federal equivalent of a felony. That means when he's done with his time, he will still be able to get a decent job, vote, own a gun, etc.

The Feds don't give sweetheart deals to bad guys. They're good at what they do (well, unless they are investigating a Clinton). By the time they charge the case, it's already a done deal. They've got you. It's just a matter of what kind of plea deal they offer you. Remember Michael Vick? Everybody was talking about how no jury would convict him? If OJ got off on murder, Vick was surely going to walk for dogfighting? Ray Lewis walked too, right? Well, I said back then the state charges didn't matter but the federal charges were going to stick. Like Vick, this was a federal case. The Feds know what happened here. They know who they want to hammer. If they agreed to let Shane plea to a "misdemeanor" and a couple of months, his involvement was not significant. I wonder if the plea deal allows for a withhold of adjudication instead of a conviction? That would make the deal a little sweeter.


Alex.

You really should read the Miami Herald report on this. Among the things I learned are:

1. Grow was acquitted on about half the charges, slightly more as I remember.

2. Grow communicated to the woman the Feds got to flip on him that he would not pay kick backs.

I agree with you that the Feds are smart, but I think they are crooked as we see in the headlines daily. Grow was a name. Every prosecutor wants to convict a name whether that name is guilty or not. The fact that the Feds in this country have a conviction rate that puts the conviction rate of Stalin, Kim Jong-un and Saddam Hussien to shame in my mind does not speak well of the US so called Justice system.
 
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Meyer? Matthews was recruited by Galen Hall (I think), Grow by Spurrier, Leak by Zook, etc.

You made a silly point. Miami is the king of "Thug U" and they aren't having any problems recruiting. People don't care what happened 10, 20, and damn near 30 years ago (when it comes to Matthews).

The REAL negative recruiting is "see how friggin awful their offense has been for 7 years? Do you really want to be a part of that?"
Anyone who says someone will attempt, much less succeed, in using the Matthews conviction to negative recruit is just talking to have something to say.
 

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Recent news cycle folks. Im not talking about when they played.
Dahmer was a scholarship football player at ObooHoo St. ? I didn't know that.

Babick was a scholarship player at UF? I didn’t know that.
 

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Its bullshyt, spawned by ambulance chasers and people (politicians) trying to divert attention from the real problem, Mexican drug cartels slinging heroin and fentanyl on every street corner.

If you talk to cops, paramedics, or er personnel, its all heroin causing the ODs. Its dirt cheap, less than crack, only slightly more than marijuana. Pills are pricey.

A big thing right now are fentanyl getting pressed into pills. Many of the pill deaths are those.

Are there pill mills? Yes, but it isnt even close to one of the primary problems. The majority of the pills come from China or Canada, not US doctors or pharmacies.
Those heroin users are former oxy users who got hooked by their doctors and the pharmaceutical companies/distributors wrongly telling the doctors oxy was non-addictive and then backing that with millions in marketing, etc. Greedy doctors writing more prescriptions than there were people in their towns didn't help either. That's why those companies have paid hundreds of millions in fines (although that's pretty much a drop in the bucket for them).

You appear to be the one slinging "bullshyt" in the service of the powers that be. " On every street corner"--it's a shame so many Americans fall for such fear mongering.
 

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