Foley's larger failure: Facilities or Butters?

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Is this really a surprise?
From football lately? No.

It's interesting the disparity among the top 10. We rank on the bottom at 27.7M. Ohio State pulls in 61.3M from ticket sales.
 

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From football lately? No.

It's interesting the disparity among the top 10. We rank on the bottom at 27.7M. Ohio State pulls in 61.3M from ticket sales.
Saving money by hiring shytty low cost coaches is expensive.
 

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So you really think that the Florida football is going to continue to be Kentuckyish and that we're going to rely on Ghettoball to be our future revenue?

Tell me the last time you saw 94,000 in the basketball stadium.
Never said that. Said they consider hoops a revenue sport. You don't even though by definition it is. Weren't you happy when UF beat UK in our packed arena recently and when we won hoops national championships?
 
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Saving money by hiring shytty low cost coaches is expensive.
Hiring the former assistants of the then highest paid coach in football (Saban) did not work for UF. Worked for UGA and wasn't expensive. He was a UGA alum.

Foley spent the money on Meyer who brought UF two national championships.

Spurrier who was not an expensive coach when UF hired him. Donovan was not an expensive coach initially for Foley and was one of the best hires ever. Texas A&M pays big bucks for their coaches. I think Jimbo Fisher will disappoint them.
 
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Never said that. Said they consider hoops a revenue sport. You don't even though by definition it is. Weren't you happy when UF beat UK in our packed arena and when we won hoops national championships?
I've been around for years and I've never seen him happy except when we fire sh*tty coaches.
 

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Hiring the former assistants of the then highest paid coach in football (Saban) did not work for UF. Worked for UGA.

Foley spent the money for Meyer who certainly worked out for UF.

Spurrier who was not an expensive coach when UF hired him. Donovan was not an expensive coach and was one of the best hires ever. Texas A&M pays big bucks for their coaches. I think Jimbo Fisher will disappoint them.
I could see the logic in gambling on Muschamp, who had never held the position but was as highly regarded as an assistant as Smart. And who knows? If he ever stops meddling with the offense, he may yet turn into a decent head coach.

There was none in Mac, who was at best mediocre in a crap conference. This was easily the worst hire of Foley's career, worse even than Zook, who at least recruited.
 

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I could see the logic in gambling on Muschamp, who had never held the position but was as highly regarded as an assistant as Smart. And who knows? If he ever stops meddling with the offense, he may yet turn into a decent head coach.

There was none in Mac, who was at best mediocre in a crap conference. This was easily the worst hire of Foley's career, worse even than Zook, who at least recruited.

You nailed it 78. Muschamp's insistence on controlling the offense was his downfall. He was a great recruiter of defense but the top offensive players wanted nothing to do with him except Grier who flamed out on drugs. Smart is not as controlling with the offense.

The year we fired Muschamp there was not a lot of quality coaches available. So Foley hired another former Saban assistant. Mistake. Mullen had just signed a long term contract when we fired Muschamp and the buyout would be huge. Mullen's buyout had run out when we recently hired him.

Mac getting SEC coach of the year in year one is good but the bottomline on him is he did not work hard at recruiting and blamed his poor recruiting results on facilities.
 
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Smart is just as terrible on offense I expect. His OC is damn near Nussdrunklike.

He just got lucky in inheriting 2 All American running backs and 35 seniors.
 

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Smart is just as terrible on offense I expect. His OC is damn near Nussdrunklike.

He just got lucky in inheriting 2 All American running backs and 35 seniors.

I've heard you say that several times and that may or may not be true...but w/ the way he's stockpiling talent, much like Alabama does, they can just out-talent people (Alabama beat Miss State last year by out-talenting them).

We need to get close to on par w/ their recruiting, get a dynamic QB, and see how it unfolds. Until then, UGA will be out-talenting teams for the near future.
 

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He just got lucky in inheriting 2 All American running backs and 35 seniors.
So true. Smart was left a talent gold mine on offense by Richt for last season. Not only did Smart get top juniors returning he also had very few injuries last season. Both Muschamp and Mac had terrible injury luck and a lot of players graduating early.

I just remember how controlling Muschamp was over the offense as he would admit it in press conferences. Smart is not as controlling of the offense.
 
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I've heard you say that several times and that may or may not be true...but w/ the way he's stockpiling talent, much like Alabama does, they can just out-talent people (Alabama beat Miss State last year by out-talenting them).

We need to get close to on par w/ their recruiting, get a dynamic QB, and see how it unfolds. Until then, UGA will be out-talenting teams for the near future.
The stud class Smart brought in recently will be only true freshman so we have a better shot at UGA next season (while they mature) than we will the following season.

UGA will be better at the crucial QB position this year but UF should have a better defense than UGA this season. UGA lost their best defensive players.
 

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I've been following this thread for awhile without posting. Now that I'm 3 Woodford's into my Saturday, I'd like to opine.

The hiring of Mac is way worse than facilities. Under Mac, we looked like a damn joke on the field. Our facilities weren't shown on national TV, but his $hitty coaching was.

Maybe poor facilities lost us some 'croots, but that means they got on campus to see them. The MacNuss $hitshow guaranteed recruits never wanted to step foot on campus, except to whoop our ass wearing Garnett/Gold or Purple/Yellow.

Mac is the WORST!!!

You had me at 3 Woodfords.
 

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From football lately? No.

It's interesting the disparity among the top 10. We rank on the bottom at 27.7M. Ohio State pulls in 61.3M from ticket sales.
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In terms of your smart observation of UF ticket sales being lower I had noticed the same thing before and looked at UT's stadium and how much they charge for tickets.

UT charges their fans more for the same premium location seats than UF charges. Plus UT has a bigger stadium and sells more tickets than UF in spite of UF and Bama consistently defeating them.

My first question was where do the UT hillbillies get the money? The point is they did get the fans to pay for expensive tickets and were very profitable recently.

UF may require a larger donations for premium seats but with tickets now being non deductible that may change.

There is less to do in Tennessee than Florida so maybe that is a factor.

UF has less games recently due to hurricanes so that could affect the numbers some.

UT is about to start a 340 million dollar remodel of their stadium. UT was almost out of reserves years ago. Instead of learning their lesson and building up reserves they are loading up on debt for a 340 million dollar renovation.

Where this could back fire on UT is if the business cycle hits them with a normal slow down. Tickets are a discretionary expense that can be cut when things slow down. Cheaper to watch the game on TV. Technology has made watching from home more enjoyable than in the past . That could hurt their ticket sales and wipe their reserves out again when they need more money to cover their much larger debt service.
 
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If he continues to recruit like he's been doing and 19 looks about the same as 18 so far he won't compete with them. Mullen has proven that he can't win against teams with more talent it's why he's like 5-28 against top 25 teams. Unless he starts pulling in way better talent we might not beat UGA at all under him.

Agree that UGA is better now than in the past ,has better facilities now and will be tougher to beat. I can't blame that on Mullen as this is what he inherits.

In terms of Mullen pulling in talent keep in mind that he just pulled in one of the better UF coach transition recruiting classes in decades. So far he is above recruiting trend at UF considering it was a coach transition.

We can't blame Mullen for how long it will take to build the new football center. It will take 3 years to complete because we have to move the baseball stadium to expand the football footprint which is the best long term thing to do.

Remember Mullin got two national championship rings at UF so he knows what has worked at UF before.

UF 2019 commitments will be able to use the new football center when they are juniors. 2020 UF commitments will be able to use it when they are sophomores. So the recruiting trend should improve over the next few years.
 
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Uga managed a whole 176 yards a game in passing. That is about half what a good QB produces.

We averaged 179 yards w the Franks and Butters show.

There is nothing premium about their offense. They had two great backs and nothing else period. All you can say about their QBs is they didnt lose the games, which is something I guess, but they damn well hope they have an elite defense and lots of luck to win like that.

I also note that Smart and Co have gone Full Muschimp and declared themselves to be 12-1. I guess all Dwags have trouble counting.
 

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