Mullen getting creative in recruiting

TheDouglas78 · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Mullen has 2 BCS national championship rings as an OC. How many coaches can say that? Not many. USF did not get a BCS ring. Plus getting USF to #2 is a good thing as it was for Frost to get to #3.

So as a coordinator under one of the best coaches in college fooball he got two NC rings. Not many people can say that... Jim McElwain can (09,11)... sorry if that doesn't mean a whole lot to me. So again, please provide consistent proof as a head coach where Mullen has beaten teams with equal or better talent.

TheDouglas78 · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Consistently beating national champs Bama and AUBURN while at a small school is not used for any head coach job requirement for any school.

deflection of the subject, isn't an answer to the subject.

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

MJMGator said:
Butters was named SEC coach of the year. That proves it’s a joke of an award forever more.

So did Saban. Won it FOUR times. Saban is 4 times a joke based on your logic.

Durfish · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

TheDouglas78 said:
So as a coordinator under one of the best coaches in college fooball he got two NC rings. Not many people can say that... Jim McElwain can (09,11)... sorry if that doesn't mean a whole lot to me. So again, please provide consistent proof as a head coach where Mullen has beaten teams with equal or better talent.

Can you name another OC with 2 BCS rings? Small list and ADs without your bias do respect it. That is why those OC coaches were hired away. Having experience in the premier college game plus winning it is good experience to have. Unless you are biased.

With your bias you may think Taggart's worse win loss record than Mullen as a head coach, and on the field accomplishment's is better than Mullen's calling 2 national championship games and having better on field success. Again Mullen played Bama closer than a lot of top programs did.

TheDouglas78 said:
deflection of the subject, isn't an answer to the subject.

Asking a ridiculous question does not make it relevant.

Of course a little SEC school does not consistently beat the best teams in the nation that are winning national championships. The SEC West has won 6 national championships in Mullen's 9 years at little MSU. MSU did not want to lose Mullen because they knew that he was doing better than anyone else preceding him.

gatormandan · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Mullen has 2 BCS national championship rings as an OC. How many coaches can say that?

TheDouglas78 · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Can you name another OC with 2 BCS rings? Small list and ADs without your bias do respect it. That is why those OC coaches were hired away.

Being hired and being a good head coach two different subjects. A lot of really good coordinators are only good as coordinators, and good AD's realize this. I named one, and now you want another... because? But since your argument was questioned... now it is about my bias.... really?

jhbyrd said:
With your bias you may think Taggart's worse win loss record than Mullen as a head coach, and on the field accomplishment's is better than Mullen's calling 2 national championship games and having better on field success.

So now your argument now, is I have a bias... because facts don't fit your conclusions. Please show me where I said Taggart is a better head coach, and that his resume was better.... I'll wait for the data to another one of your fictional conclusions.

jhbyrd said:
Asking ridiculous questions does not make it relevant. Of course a little SEC school does not consistently beat the best teams in the nation that are winning national championships.

how is my question ridiculous? You tried to put qualifications on a question you were choosing not to answer. You are trying to add qualifications were their isn't. That's on you. You said he gets more out of less... I'm asking for the proof of that statement, and you have provided none.

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

TheDouglas78 said:
Being hired and being a good head coach two different subjects. A lot of really good coordinators are only good as coordinators, and good AD's realize this. I named one, and now you want another... because? But since your argument was questioned... now it is about my bias.... really?

Moot point

TheDouglas78 said:
So now your argument now, is I have a bias... because facts don't fit your conclusions. Please show me where I said Taggart is a better head coach, and that his resume was better.... I'll wait for the data to another one of your fictional conclusions.

Your bias is against anything good Mullen did.

TheDouglas78 said:
how is my question ridiculous? You tried to put qualifications on a question you were choosing not to answer. You are trying to add qualifications were their isn't. That's on you. You said he gets more out of less... I'm asking for the proof of that statement, and you have provided none.

No it's on you.
Since you don't get it I will make it simpler for you. Your question is like:

"Does the driver of a minivan consistently beat the other drivers in Formula one cars?'

If he does not you conclude he is not a good driver when the unbiased people know that the minivan driver upsetting the formula one cars on occasion is an accomplishment.

Bama is the 6 time Formula One champion driver that Mullen never beat in his minivan but played Bama closer than alot of other formula one drivers who Mullen has upset occasionally in his minivan.

Kentucky, 7-0
Vanderbilt, 2-0
Tennessee, 1-0
Missouri, 1-0
Ole Miss, 4-3
Arkansas, 4-3
Georgia, 1-1
Florida, 1-1
Auburn, 3-4
Texas A&M, 1-3
LSU, 1-6
South Carolina, 0-2
Alabama, 0-7

MJMGator · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
So did Saban. Won it FOUR times. Saban is 4 times a joke based on your logic.

Saban’s no joke...but the award is.

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

MJMGator said:
Saban’s no joke...but the award is.

Saban does not think so. Either does Wiki which lists it as one of his top awards.

MJMGator · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Saban does not think so. Either does Wiki which lists it as one of his top awards.

I give zero fcks what Saban or Wiki think. My opinions are are all that matters on this subject...or any other.

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

MJMGator said:
I give zero fcks what Saban or Wiki think. My opinions are are all that matters on this subject...or any other.

Funny MJM. Let me know what you decide on N Korea and Iran.

TheDouglas78 · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Moot point

But a point of your argument.

jhbyrd said:
Your bias is against anything good Mullen did.

Which is clearly in your head.

jhbyrd said:
No it's on you.
Since you don't get it I will make it simpler for you. Your question is like:

"oes the driver of a minivan consistently beat the other drivers in Formula one cars?'

If he does not you conclude he is not a good driver when the unbiased people know that the minivan driver upsetting the formula one cars on occasion is an accomplishment.

But when they don't consistently beat other mini van drivers it shows they are marginal... Hence the question, equal or better talent. He doesn't beat equal talent consistently... Since we have to make the easier for yourself.

jhbyrd said:
Bama is the 6 time Formula One champion driver that Mullen never beat in his minivan but played Bama closer than alot of other formula one drivers who Mullen has upset occasionally in his minivan.

You are the only one that keeps only saying Bama. You, because it fits your narrative. What about his marginal records against Ole Miss, Arkansas, T A&M?

jhbyrd said:
Kentucky, 8-1

Vanderbilt, 2-0

Tennessee, 1-0

Missouri, 1-0

Ole Miss, 5-4

Arkansas, 5-4

Georgia, 1-2

Florida, 1-1

Auburn, 3-6

Texas A&M, 3-3

LSU, 2-7

South Carolina, 1-2

Alabama, 0-9

Fixed your numbers for you...

You're records proves my point, he is marginal against equal teams. Ole Miss, Arkansas, and T A&M he is just a hair over .500. Against top 10 opponents, 4-14, Top 25 opponents 7-32, 18-18 at home in SEC play, 15-21 away in SEC play, and with some losses that are Muschampian (ie South Alabama).

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

TheDouglas78 said:
But when they don't consistently beat other mini van drivers it shows they are marginal... Hence the question, equal or better talent. He doesn't beat equal talent consistently... Since we have to make the easier for yourself.

You are the only one that keeps only saying Bama. You, because it fits your narrative. What about his marginal records against Ole Miss, Arkansas, Texas A&M).

You think he should consistently beat 6 time national champ Bama not me.

Your bias shows as you claim apples are oranges.

Apples to Oranges: he upset Texas A&M once who has the best facilities in the SEC. Texas A&M is not a minivan. Upsetting Formula one drivers like Texas A&M is an accomplishment not a sign of bad coaching as you claim.

Mullen still had a winning record versus Ole Miss who went on probation for cheating in recruiting. Not mini van talent. Ole miss got caught paying bills of high NFL draft picks.

A winning record versus Arkansas which also has better facilities than MSU is also an accomplishment.

Mullen is undefeated versus 4 other SEC opponents.

TheDouglas78 · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Your bias shows as you compare apples to oranges.

Apples to Oranges: he upset Texas A&M once who has the best facilities in the SEC versus minivan MSU.

Mullen still had a winning record versus Ole Miss who went on probation for cheating in recruiting. Not equal talent. Ole miss got caught paying bills of high NFL draft picks.

A winning record versus Arkansas which also has better facilities than MSU.

Mullen is undefeated versus 4 other SEC opponents.

So T A&M isn't an also ran in the West, neither is Ole Miss... You make every team in the West Alabama because that's the only way your argument makes sense.

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

TheDouglas78 said:
So T A&M isn't an also ran in the West, neither is Ole Miss... You make every team in the West Alabama because that's the only way your argument makes sense.

No I didn't. Texas A&M (3-3), Arkansas (5-4), UT (1-0) , LSU (2-7) and Auburn (3-6) all have better facilities and resources (Formula one) than MSU. Mullen upseting them is an accomplishment not negative as you spin it. Against the above listed teams (who have better facilities and resources) Mullen has 14 wins.

Ole Miss got better talent by cheating yet Mullen still has a winning record versus them.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/best-facilities-college-football/

GatorBart · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Funny MJM. Let me know what you decide on N Korea and Iran.

Nuke those Fokkers!

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

GatorBart said:
Nuke those Fokkers!

Don't jump the gun. Remember that MJM makes the call as only his opinion counts! We await your wisdom MJM!

MJMGator · May 24, 2018

jhbyrd said:
Don't jump the gun. Remember that MJM makes the call as only his opinion counts! We await your wisdom MJM!

Bart is an authorized spokesman.

jhbyrd · May 24, 2018

MJMGator said:
Bart is an authorized spokesman.

Let it be written, let it be done. Head for the fallout shelters!

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