Mullen getting creative in recruiting

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Mullen has shown he can get a lot out of talent and he has more talent at UF than he had at MSU. Plus Mullen has paid his dues as a young SEC head coach.
I hope Mullen wins 5 NC's but I am unsure how you can claim he gets a lot out of talent. He currently he has a 33 - 39 overall losing SEC record and he is 2 - 15 vs. ranked opponents - which is terrible... Even worse than Mac... think about that...

I think he made a HUGE mistake bringing so many MSU coaches with him... Our staff is unimpressive to me... He needs to win and win now. I am not even a fan of following recruiting and, yes, I realize it is only May and, he is trying very hard but, he is getting beaten down in recruiting right now. I would have thrown those F'ers off campus immediacy and pulled any offers for flashing the "U" sign while on a recruiting trip to UF.
 

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Lotta fruit falling from the vine. Sept. 1 is still a ways away.
 

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I think he made a HUGE mistake bringing so many MSU coaches with him... Our staff is unimpressive to me... He needs to win and win now.
Worked for Meyer bringing his staff to UF. Unity can help you win quickly. His DC that he carried over got the MSU defense quickly on shape.

Mac brought in a new OC. How did you like him?

Your comment of "he needs to win and win now" but can't bring existing staff is probably why Kelly did not want to deal with UF fans. Ironically Mullen embraces fans with that attitude.

I would have thrown those F'ers off campus immediacy and pulled any offers for flashing the "U" sign while on a recruiting trip to UF.
You would drive off top recruits who were kidding around and quickly apologized? Lighten up Frances.
 
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Emotionally you may feel that but he does have NFL experience which recruits like.


"Grantham’s impressive resume includes an 11-year NFL career, lastly as the Dallas Cowboys defensive line coach.

He was with the Cowboys for two years (2008-09) after spending three seasons as defensive coordinator with the Browns, and six years as defensive line coach for both the Houston Texans (2002-04) and Indianapolis Colts (1999-01).

In 2007, Grantham’s defense helped Cleveland to a 10-win season.
Prior to his tenure with the Colts, Grantham made his name in the collegiate ranks, when he served for three seasons as Michigan State’s defensive line coach and one as assistant head coach at Michigan State under Nick Saban.

Grantham also spent six years (1990-95) at his alma mater, Virginia Tech, coaching defensive ends and inside linebackers (1990-91) and defensive tackles (1992-93).

During his career, Grantham worked under several successful defensive minds on both the pro and college levels, including Saban, Frank Beamer and Bud Foster at Virginia Tech, Romeo Crennel in Cleveland, Dom Capers in Houston and Wade Phillips in Dallas.

Mississippi State (2017)
Grantham, a nominee for the Broyles Award as the top assistant coach in the country, made an immediate splash in his lone year as defensive coordinator in Starkville. In his fifth season as a defensive coordinator in the SEC, Grantham guided the best MSU defense in recent memory.

Category 2017 Stats 2017 Rank in SEC / FBS Best at MSU Since…
Total Defense
302.0 3rd / 10th 1999 (222.5)
Pass Defense 175.0 4th / 13th 2007 (174.9)
Rush Defense 127.0 4th / 24th 2010 (119.1)
First Down Defense 13.2 1st / 1st 1963 (10.2)
Scoring Defense 20.4 5th / 24th 2011 (19.7)
Yards Per Play 5.2 5th / 39th 1999 (3.3)
Third Down Defense 31.0% 1st / 12th 1999 (27.0%)

In addition, MSU produced six non-offensive touchdowns in 2017, including a league-leading four defensive scores. The Bulldogs returned an interception for a touchdown in three straight games, a first since 2007. They achieved this feat against Kentucky, Texas A&M and UMass."
 

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Without digging through Swamp Ass, I can GUARANTEE that byrd pumped and argued in support of Butters just as hard as he is here for Mullin. Does anyone have any doubt of that?

How did that work out for you?
 

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Without digging through Swamp Ass, I can GUARANTEE that byrd pumped and argued in support of Butters just as hard as he is here for Mullin. Does anyone have any doubt of that?

How did that work out for you?

How did the revolving door coach strategy work out for UT?

I supported Mac his first 2 years then in game 1 of year three I gave him strike one for firing.He struck.out in year 3.

Everyone said UF had no chance Mac's first year and we ended up in the SEC championship game. If top coaches see that at UF that if you get in the SEC Championship game immediately that they still will fire you then no good coach will come to UF.

I feel you should give them a fair shot and that you hurt the program if you dont. Top coaches will avoid coming to UF if they think they will not be given a fair shot.

Mac was in the SEC championship game twice in spite of being left no talent on offense but he showed he was a lazy recruiter. He dug his own grave in year 3 by whining in public about facilities , not using his players well and getting out hustled in recruiting.

I give them time to get their system and players in place. If they fail to do that then it is fair to replace them. I do watch to see if they hustle n recruiting and Mac was not hustling.

Once they are hired you give them a fair shot to do the job. Those who demand national championships from day one in spite of inherited talent do UF a disservice long term. You become UT when you revolving door the coaches. That is why Mullen chose UF over UT as we have given the coaches a fair chance to get started. I don't want UF to turn into UT.
 

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Everyone said UF had no chance Mac's first year and we ended up in the SEC championship game.

Because Muschamp was a great transition coach.
 

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Because Muschamp was a great transition coach.
No Zook was the great transition coach who loaded up on 5 star talent but was dumb enough to fire when Meyer was available and brought UF 2 National championships.

Muschamp ticked me off when he hamstrung the offense and drove off top offensive talent that went to FSU. Muschamp hustled and is not dumb but his insistence on controlling the offense was his undoing.
 

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No Zook was the great transition coach who loaded up on 5 star talent but was dumb enough to fire when Meyer was available and brought UF 2 National championships.
And Muschamp was a great transition coach who loaded up on talented DBs and brought us the last two SEC East trophies we'll be seeing in awhile.
 

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And Muschamp was a great transition coach who loaded up on talented DBs and brought us the last two SEC East trophies we'll be seeing in awhile.
We need good injury luck to beat UGA this year. They are talented but young.

Muschamp was a great recruiter of defense but not offense. You need balance. His control freak nature of the offense was his undoing. He is smart and does hustle in recruiting but wanted to control something he is not good at.

Our new football facilities that will be completed in 3 years could very well get UF back to the top.
 
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Mullen is sich a great choice that he was Timerc's seventh or eighth choice.

We hope he’s Chip Kelly (understudy that proves the equal or better of his mentor.)

We fear he’s Frank Solich (understudy that was ok but fell short of championships once Osborne’s players were gone.)

But so far I’m pretty confident he isn’t a Zook (in over his very confused head) Muschamp (in over his very hard head) or Mac (in over his very insecure head.) At least he isn’t babbling incessantly, turning the program into a bunker or throwing up a bunch condescending BS.

And hey, Tinerc is trying to recapture their glory days of Fulmer & Payton - you know, when UF owned them and won all those consecutive SEC titles and our first NC. I’m all for that.
 

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We hope he’s Chip Kelly (understudy that proves the equal or better of his mentor.)

We fear he’s Frank Solich (understudy that was ok but fell short of championships once Osborne’s players were gone.)

But so far I’m pretty confident he isn’t a Zook (in over his very confused head) Muschamp (in over his very hard head) or Mac (in over his very insecure head.) At least he isn’t babbling incessantly, turning the program into a bunker or throwing up a bunch condescending BS.

And hey, Tinerc is trying to recapture their glory days of Fulmer & Payton - you know, when UF owned them and won all those consecutive SEC titles and our first NC. I’m all for that.
Mullen is hustling and doing the best he can with the situation UF is presently in. He has to sell to recruits that they will be in these great facilities in their junior year. He has to bridge the gap recruiting wise. Your win loss record prior to arriving does affect recruiting and last season does not help.

Long term UF is the sleeping giant as Bear Bryant used to describe us. Mullen is doing his best to awaken the sleeping giant. Hope he succeeds. He knows what worked to get UF national championships before.
 

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Because Muschamp was a great transition coach.

He did recruit well (if unevenly) and he did sort out the entitlement mess that had brewed under Meyer’s last year or two. Big mistakes in hiring, game planning, in-game strategy and a really poor us-against-the-world including the fans mentality. We could go on, but I get your point.
 

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He did recruit well (if unevenly) and he did sort out the entitlement mess that had brewed under Meyer’s last year or two. Big mistakes in hiring, game planning, in-game strategy and a really poor us-against-the-world including the fans mentality. We could go on, but I get your point.
Nice post.
Muschamp also had terrible injury luck. UGA had great injury luck last year plus had top.players not go pro. My hope is the tables turn in our favor versus UGA in the injury department. We are over due for good injury/suspension good luck.

Kirby Smart did not do well his first UGA season but everything came together for him in year two. Good example of why you do not fire a coach in year one.
 

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Because Muschamp, Mcelwain and Mulkinz are great transition coaches.
Fify.

Even when Fooley failed, he did it in GOAT fashion. It is what GOATs do.
 

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Fify.

Even when Fooley failed, he did it in GOAT fashion. It is what GOATs do.
Fans like you who want firing in year one hurt schools. Give them a fair shot to get started. UGA would be kicking themselves if they fired prior assistant coach Kirby after a bad year one.

FYI Stricklin hired Mullen as head coach not Foley (I guess Foley hired Mullen indirectly when he was an OC)and Mullen is doing all the right things so far.
 
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Fify.

Even when Fooley failed, he did it in GOAT fashion. It is what GOATs do.
Everyone Foley hired (Machen hired Meyer) was a transition coach. We're still trying to figure out where we were transitioning to.
 

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Everyone Foley hired (Machen hired Meyer) was a transition coach. We're still trying to figure out where we were transitioning to.
BOTH Machen and Foley hired Meyer. Fact. You know Meyer was a great hire so you say Foley was not involved but fact is he was very involved. It is normal in the SEC for BOTH the President and AD to both be involved in the football coach hire.

Be accurate. It is demonstrable that Foley was very involved in the hiring of Meyer.
 
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