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No you did not as you claim that only the President hires a head football coach. Not true. It was a joint effort.

You specifically said Foley did not hire Meyer but you have no proof.
Revisit that post. I added part of my earlier post.

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@jhbyrd, I contend the board of trustees met on a Tuesday and gave Foley till the end of the week to go out on his terms, which he did on Thursday. We would have had to drag him out kicking and screaming otherwise.
Go ask your Bull about this or make something up, you have 48 hours.
 

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@jhbyrd, I contend the board of trustees met on a Tuesday and gave Foley till the end of the week to go out on his terms, which he did on Thursday. We would have had to drag him out kicking and screaming otherwise.
Go ask your Bull about this or make something up, you have 48 hours.
Don't have scoop on that. Foley did screw up his last two football hires so it is possible. Bringing in Stricklin was a good move at that point in my opinion. We now have a young aggressive head football coach and AD.
 
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So let me understand - your thesis is that Foley, and his BOSS, had equal weight in the decision to pursue, select, and land Meyer? Your basis for this is that Foley was observed doing more of the legwork through the process?

You know how boss/employee relationships work, right? You know who does the “instructing”, and who does the “work”, right?

I know you’re probably a tenured professor so accountability is probably a foreign word, but in the real world, when a boss tells you to go do something, you aren’t really part of the “decision-making process”. You are, however, in the “make it happen” process.

EDIT: I posted this before reading 78’s comments stating basically the same thing. Sorry byrd, you’ve lost this one. The premise you’ve argued against was that Machen was responsible for choosing Meyer, but there is enough smoke, and common sense that says that Foley was DIRECTED by his superior to get Meyer, which eliminates the SELECTION of Meyer as something Foley should be credited with.
 
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So let me understand - your thesis is that Foley, and his BOSS, had equal weight in the decision to pursue, select, and land Meyer? Your basis for this is that Foley was observed doing more of the legwork through the process?

You know how boss/employee relationships work, right? You know who does the “instructing”, and who does the “work”, right?

I know you’re probably a tenured professor so accountability is probably a foreign word, but in the real world, when a boss tells you to go do something, you aren’t really part of the “decision-making process”. You are, however, in the “make it happen” process.

Quiet! Class in session.....
 

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Revisit that post. I added part of my earlier post.

I'm done with you. Go argue with the wall.

Atleast you admitted your initial statement that Foley did not hire Meyer was incorrect and that they both deserve credit.

From job description of an AD:

"Athletic directors may also be in charge of hiring and firing coaches. To do so, these professionals assess current and prospective coaches based on team goals, achievements and other parameters."

Dooley has no reason to.lie and said that Machen had Foley do a study of various head coaches and come back with an opinion and Foley came back with the opinion of Meyer being the best. Then Machen agreed and got Foley to hire Meyer. He did.
 

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So let me understand - your thesis is that Foley, and his BOSS, had equal weight in the decision to pursue, select, and land Meyer? Your basis for this is that Foley was observed doing more of the legwork through the process?
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No. I think they both deserve credit for hiring a good coach.

78 saying Foley did not hire Machen is out of spite. ADs are generally in charge of firing and hiring coaches at UF but have to get their President's approval. Of course the President can over rule. You are the first one talking about%s. Machen was not there for the signing and negotiations but does deserve credit for having worked with Meyer at Utah and giving his approval. Meyer already knew he could work with Machen which Machen deserves credit for.

Foley deserves credit for being the point man and convincing Meyer and his wife to come to Gainesville and not Notre Dame. Foley's good relationship with Donovan and all the 5 star talent Zook had acquired helped close the deal. Meyer knew he could win with the talent Zook had acquired.
 
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Atleast you admitted your initial statement that Foley did not hire Meyer was incorrect and that they both deserve credit

You literally can't help yourself. You're a f*cking idiot.

Oh, BTW, here's the link.

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So are you now saying Foley does not deserve credit for hiring Meyer again? Make up your mind.
T-REX brought you to Gatorchatter. Who deserves the credit for being a douche, him or you?

Never mind, too many of you will undermine my logic.
 

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T-REX brought you to Gatorchatter. Who deserves the credit for being a douche, him or you?

Never mind, too many of you will undermine my logic.
Name calling is an admission of defeat. Next time bring proof for your unbacked opinions.
 

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I've got it. This thread.
Your name calling shows you know you do not have it.

Dooley's article says Foley came home with his hire. You feel if you name call Dooley it gives your unbacked argument weight. It doesn't. After all your childish name calling on this thread you still have brought no credible source saying it was only Machen's hire.

FYI you were not done with your childish name calling very long. No will power?
 
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You will find that I am just looking for accuracy.

You are close minded so nothing will get through to you.

I met a bull gator I know last night who is very involved and I asked him specifically if it was just Machen involved. His first words were it was both Foley and Machen. It is common sense that it was both based only on the visual proof Foley was involved.

For starters, no one is suggesting that Machen handled the Meyer hiring completely alone, while Foley played "dress up" in his office with re-runs of Gomer Pyle in the background(though it wouldn't shock anyone). Of course he had some hand in things. The question is how much was already considerably in the works or done by Machen. No one knows specifics. But based on his other botched hires, he's lost benefit of the doubt imo.

Secondly, your entire theory is based off of one Bull that you just met, yest we're the "closed minded" ones. Ftr, being in position to donate funds to UF doesn't automatically mean you have your finger on the pulse of the program. I have a Bull in my immediate family, and I know more about what's generally going on than they do. Not sure why you're taking this so far. It's something that can't be proven, and results on the ground sing an entirely different tune.

To be clear, even as recent as the JM hire, I was a fairly strong supporter of Foley, and felt he still had the ability to conduct these searches. But he lost every ounce of equity he'd built up with his back to back disasters and "arms race" stubbornness. Any criticism coming his way is both accurate and well deserved.
 

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... Not sure why you're taking this so far. It's something that can't be proven, and results on the ground sing an entirely different tune.

It’s clear that byrd is one of those who is just so invested in being “right”, that any concession or even finding middle ground is self-perceived as utter defeat. Any rational opinion would at least concede the possibility that the selection of Meyer was “led” or directed by Machen, but that would be a concession for byrd.....and there is just no way he’ll ever admit he could even possibly be wrong.

I feel sorry for any of his students that dare want to challenge an opinion in a rational debate.
 

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It’s clear that byrd is one of those who is just so invested in being “right”, that any concession or even finding middle ground is self-perceived as utter defeat. Any rational opinion would at least concede the possibility that the selection of Meyer was “led” or directed by Machen, but that would be a concession for byrd.....and there is just no way he’ll ever admit he could even possibly be wrong.

I feel sorry for any of his students that dare want to challenge an opinion in a rational debate.

First lesson on how to win an argument: learn how to lose an argument.
 

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Because you cannot objectively see beyond your dislike of Foley you won't give him credit for the important negotiations he did to sign Meyer.
You're a fvkktard. No offense. You can claim that is some secret code for me losing but it really just means you're a fvkktard. With all due respect.
 

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