The "Choke" or the "Shush"...Which was more traumatic for you?

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I don’t know which is worse - the passive-aggressive OP, or that people are actually answering it. :facepalm:

I know we’ve got this whole “March to a million” thing going on, but ffs team, let’s not fall for some rejected Swamp Ass poll of nonsense.

I’d rather have a 5 page thread on how my pee smells after eating asparagus.
 

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I don’t know which is worse - the passive-aggressive OP, or that people are actually answering it. :facepalm:

I know we’ve got this whole “March to a million” thing going on, but ffs team, let’s not fall for some rejected Swamp Ass poll of nonsense.

I’d rather have a 5 page thread on how my pee smells after eating asparagus.
That would probably need to be in the lounge?
 

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I'm not traumatized or affected by either. Both were shameful, though it's more shameful for a grown, middle-aged man who is also a person of authority and responsibility to behave embarrassingly and shamefully. They both ought to be ashamed and learn from their indiscretion - though it's much easier for me to give Franks grace.

Learn.

Move on.

Now, for some replies.

Proud of him for mocking his own fans? Most immature move I’ve ever seen a QB make on the field.

He can be one serious turd that makes it hard to root for him. Hopefully he’ll act like a grown up and a leader this year.

This is spot on.

I like Marine1 and we are often well aligned in our perspective. This time...

He didn’t mock them. He told them to shut the fvvck up. And they did.

His teammates had his back. Tells you all you need to know about his leadership

The turning point of the season. It was all good after he finally pushed back and quit taking shyt like some snowflake.

1. I guess people didn't shut up. Some criticized him for his demonstration and many will never forget it. Nice job trying to frame it the way you want it to be, but it just ain't so. The only thing that will shut up the criticism is playing better. ...not a powerless, provocative and adversarial gesture like this.

2. Of course his teammates either had his back or used descrection and didn't publicly criticize him. There's no need for any of his teammates to criticize him. Without an injury to Trask, Franks likely wouldn't have retained his starting role.

3. This is not good leadership. You go to the crowd and gesture something like, "How do you like me now?" and you show grit, determination, confidence and leadership. You use your first success to behave poorly and you show that you're (emotionally) small, petty, insecure and you demonstrate the bad character that you should be ashamed of. ...but you're right, it does show me all I need to see about his leadership. Let's hope he matures.

4. His little outburst was not the turning point of the season. The combination of him choosing to run with determination, the team seeming to try harder, and fantastic coaching (especially in play design and calling that maximized our advantages and minimized the other team's strengths) is what turned the season around. His outburst might have been a result of some inward shift in determination, but it was a bad, unnecessary fruit, not a necessary one. It could have been manifested in ways that would have helped him and the team more.

Society has changed so much with all this being offended about everything crap. Get over it and move on. The whole thing lasted about 4 seconds and you’re still obsessed by it. All it did was motivate him. He played better and far more confident the rest of the season....and we never lost another game. I like a QB with stones.

I agree that people are way too offended about the slightest thing. I agree people need to get over stuff.

That doesn't really apply here. Someone asked about these two incidents. Of course that will illicit discussion on a discussion board.

Also, I may get over it, but it doesn't change my opinion on the issue. I'm not carrying around some grievance about the act, but it was immature, counterproductive and demonstrative of bad character. It will still be that way in 20 years. Getting over it and moving on doesn't affect that.
 

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FF is the most despised Gator player ever.

That is a whale of a statement and either terribly exaggerated or a poor use of hyperbole. Now you're veering toward victim politics and snowflaking. Be careful!
 

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That’s really the point. We had a kid from a tiny HS with very little if any high level coaching in his life and very weak competition. A year later he’s in the SEC no less. He’s as raw a QB as you could find. Instead of acknowledging this we basically label him a retard after a disastrous freshman year. Then a real coach comes on board and the same kid...coached up for the first time ever...has a nice season with 24 tds and just 6 int. Runs for another 7. Goes 10-3 and wins a major bowl game. Yet here we are. Guess what? He’ll be even more improved this year. If he gets beat out by EJ...God bless us because that means we have an even better QB out there.

I agree with almost all of this. The only thing is that he may be even better this year. I hope he is and I'm rooting for him. I agree that people treated him poorly. In fact some of the conclusions people here jumped to regarding him and some of the name calling (that goes back at least to Driskel) is terrible and shameful.

I try very hard not to be cruel to any players, much less our players. I don't want to boo any of our players - though I would if they do something that I feel deserves it that is related to character and not their play.
 

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That is a whale of a statement and either terribly exaggerated or a poor use of hyperbole. Now you're veering toward victim politics and snowflaking. Be careful!
I also stated he was treated worse than any player I've ever witnessed in the Swamp. If you don't agree with this name names. A poster suggested Chris Leak and that's a joke.
 

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Everything changed from that point on without any doubt. The fans in the stands stopped booing Gators. Nothing will stop internet cowboys as we well know.

But to veer back to the original topic. It would appear that more online were traumatized by the shush in my opinion. Those 3 or 4 seconds have lingered far too long in the heads of some that were booing. The rest of us were sorta just “meh” and moved on. If I attacked someone verbally and/or maliciously I think I would expect them to come back at me. I certainly wouldn’t be offended if they did.

FF needed to step up his game....and he did.
 

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Everything changed from that point on without any doubt. The fans in the stands stopped booing Gators. Nothing will stop internet cowboys as we well know.

But to veer back to the original topic. It would appear that more online were traumatized by the shush in my opinion. Those 3 or 4 seconds have lingered far too long in the heads of some that were booing. The rest of us were sorta just “meh” and moved on. If I attacked someone verbally and/or maliciously I think I would expect them to come back at me. I certainly wouldn’t be offended if they did.

FF needed to step up his game....and he did.
He made em his b*tch!




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Everything changed from that point on without any doubt. The fans in the stands stopped booing Gators. Nothing will stop internet cowboys as we well know.

But to veer back to the original topic. It would appear that more online were traumatized by the shush in my opinion. Those 3 or 4 seconds have lingered far too long in the heads of some that were booing. The rest of us were sorta just “meh” and moved on. If I attacked someone verbally and/or maliciously I think I would expect them to come back at me. I certainly wouldn’t be offended if they did.

FF needed to step up his game....and he did.
Good Christ, it’s like you guys have never been to a sporting event. Fans are a-holes and have been back to the Roman gladiator fights. Your fans love you when you are good, hate you when you are bad. You can NEVER win by taking on your own fans. You lose no matter what. Smart players know this, why is why they are able to filter out the crap and ignore it. Smart players know that the best way to shut people up is through your play.

Franks wasn’t smart on that play. If he had to do it over again, I don’t think he would do it.
 

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I also stated he was treated worse than any player I've ever witnessed in the Swamp. If you don't agree with this name names. A poster suggested Chris Leak and that's a joke.

Robby Stevenson,Freshman punter. (I thought they were booing the offense, not the punter)
Robby Stevenson concedes that nerves were a factor. Last Sept. 2 against Houston, Stevenson was a true freshman playing his first game as a University of Floridapunter. For an 18-year-old, that's pressure enough.
And he definitely never figured he'd be booed by a sold-out Florida Field crowd in what turned out to be an easy 24-point victory.
"It shook me up a little," Stevenson said. "But I guess people just expected a little more."...
After the Houston game, Stevenson improved. He averaged better than 42 yards per punt in six of UF's 13 games. And the booing stopped, too, thanks to Spurrier's postgame remarks to the media that expressed his displeasure of a freshman being booed in his home ballpark.
CAN PUNTER GET OFF ON RIGHT FOOT?
 
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My friend, read the direct fvvcking quote yourself. I pasted it below just for you. And yes.... I hope it is the last time we need to read fake news. The below posted quote ran 180 degrees from what his teammates and coaches were saying about him at the time. You’re correcting me?...twice no less...come on, man.

Enjoy.


“Funny to see this thread today b/c I havewalked past Franks the past 2 days, once he was by himself and the other time it appeared the team was headed to some type of lightpractice in pajamas. When he was alone, hewas dressed shabbily and walking lazily looking as tho he was floating thru life. With the team, he was near the back of the pack again walking slowly and lazily. This by no means portends that he will not be successful on the field, but outside of a couple of runs and a big arm, he seems to have zero mental acumen for anything, as many havementioned. And it seemed to ring true whenseeing him the past 2 days. I am not saying the guy has to be dressed in business attire, but carry yourself with a purpose, act like you care in your everyday life and perhaps your fortunes might change on the field!”
dont know where you dug up this random quote from some sad stiff posting on a message board from his moms basement, but as I've already stated, we've had this discussion before, and it was over the article I referenced that certain individuals were incorrectly using as an excuse to whine about dumping on players. If one person on a board somewhere in the world making a negative comment is enough to justify a multiseason narrative about fan negativity towards Franks then... whatever I guess. Enjoy your offseason lament.
 

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dont know where you dug up this random quote from some sad stiff posting on a message board from his moms basement, but as I've already stated, we've had this discussion before, and it was over the article I referenced that certain individuals were incorrectly using as an excuse to whine about dumping on players. If one person on a board somewhere in the world making a negative comment is enough to justify a multiseason narrative about fan negativity towards Franks then... whatever I guess. Enjoy your offseason lament.

You are correcting me when you are actually wrong. That post was on this board by a very active poster. I have no idea what article you are referring to. Whenever I make a post that refers to criticism related to how purposeful FF walks to and from practice this is exactly the post I am referring to. Unless you are referring to THAT post you are not correcting me on anything. I have never once referred to your article and have no idea what it is.

So for clarification I will state for the 3rd time....FF has even been criticized for how lazily he supposedly walks to and from practice. Even as others such as his coaches and teammates were reporting otherwise. And during the exact point (fall practice) he was winning the starting job.

Btw it was from a very active thread (7 pages if I remember) with a a shyt ton of responses. Many but not all negative but far from a single post by a single poster in moms basement. And on our board not on a board “somewhere in the world.”

I can’t make it any clearer than that.
 

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Good Christ, it’s like you guys have never been to a sporting event. Fans are a-holes and have been back to the Roman gladiator fights. Your fans love you when you are good, hate you when you are bad. You can NEVER win by taking on your own fans. You lose no matter what. Smart players know this, why is why they are able to filter out the crap and ignore it. Smart players know that the best way to shut people up is through your play.

Franks wasn’t smart on that play. If he had to do it over again, I don’t think he would do it.

I’m not sure given a do over he wouldn’t do it again. It worked for him to stand up for himself at the time. I’m fairly confident he won’t ever do it again. Even DM post game said he will be speaking with him about and that he had already been talking to him previously about not paying attention to any noise. As in just about every other scenario DM is moving the kid forward steadily.
 

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