Michigan's annual paid vacation for the football team: South Africa

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I have a friend in SA. Raped and beaten in her home. Guy was caught, given a year, will be out in 3mo due to prison crowding. She's retraining on her handguns now and seeking Asylum in the UK (or anywhere else she can get out to). What she describes is no law.
 

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Hilarious. So while these college robots supporting AOC and Sanders want free college, did they ever stop and ask themselves if any of these scholarship athletes that get this kinda of bread spent on them have any duty back to the school once they sign those big NBA and NFL contracts? Maybe we should tax their contracts and 70% and use if for free tuition or to pay off their student loans? No, they would rather focus on the guy that started a company from the bottom up, worked his ass off, saved and hired people and had success the old fashioned way. Sorry if this is more for the PF but I couldn't help myself.
 

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Have you been there?

I crossed the state line north of South Bend, Indiana into Niles, Michigan. I turned around and headed back to Indiana.

No seriously, I have been one time in extreme southwest Michigan to Benton Harbor on Lake Michigan. Areas in western Michigan around towns like Petosky and Harbor Springs are nice. I have never been in the Upper Peninsula but I know it is beautiful. Like every state Michigan has its areas of blight like Flint and Detroit excluding Grosse Pointe.
 

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Michigan isn't the end of the world, but you can see it from there. I spent 5 years pulling alert in the LP. In the summer the land is beautiful. In the winter crazy people snowmobile on the frozen rivers, break through the ice and have their bodies recovered in the spring. The first hunting season I was there, five hunters were shot wearing blaze orange vests. Mistaken for deer. One year a land owner got tired of the snowmobilers traversing his land and strung piano wire across the trail. Only killed one guy. Excellent place to live for Noles.
 

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Michigan isn't the end of the world, but you can see it from there. I spent 5 years pulling alert in the LP. In the summer the land is beautiful. In the winter crazy people snowmobile on the frozen rivers, break through the ice and have their bodies recovered in the spring. The first hunting season I was there, five hunters were shot wearing blaze orange vests. Mistaken for deer. One year a land owner got tired of the snowmobilers traversing his land and strung piano wire across the trail. Only killed one guy. Excellent place to live for Noles.

I understand Detroit's lovely.
 

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I crossed the state line north of South Bend, Indiana into Niles, Michigan. I turned around and headed back to Indiana.

No seriously, I have been one time in extreme southwest Michigan to Benton Harbor on Lake Michigan. Areas in western Michigan around towns like Petosky and Harbor Springs are nice. I have never been in the Upper Peninsula but I know it is beautiful. Like every state Michigan has its areas of blight like Flint and Detroit excluding Grosse Pointe.

Yeah the cities are awful but there are some nice rural and lake areas. The golf is supposed to be nice there too. But I’d want to leave if I were there
 

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I spent a few weeks there about 10 years ago. It was one of my all-time favorite trips for a number of reasons, but as much as I loved it, I would absolutely NOT bring anyone with me if I ever visit again. It's an extremely dangerous place, and Harbaugh is putting his players and staff at risk. If I were the AD or President at UM I would put the kibosh on it.

I hear it's even worse now than it was ten years ago. At the time I went, Johannesburg and Cape Town were #1 and #2 murder capitals of the world. I stayed at the Johannesburg home of an NPR correspondent named Jason Beaubien who had been sent there with his family to live. This was an american reporter and he lived in a compound, basically: Twelve foot high walls, a man trap to get in through the heavy front gate, a security guard, automatic iron bars at the front door of the house and master bedroom that were activated by a panic button. The first day I was there, I opened up the newspaper and there was a story about an Afrikaans farmer, (dutch), who was being arraigned for taking one of his black workers out to the plain and throwing him to the lions, because after he'd fired him the guy came back to retrieve his pots, which were his only possession. He'd been picked clean by lions and then jackals, his niece was able to identify his skeletal remains because of his teeth. The picture of the Afrikaans on the front page was of him walking into the courtroom holding up both middle fingers with a smile on his face. On the same page there was an article about how there was no link between HIV and AIDS. There was a quote in the article from then Prime Minister Mbeki confirming his same belief.

It is absolutely one of the most beautiful and, at the same time, desperate places I've ever been. Even the animals are desperate. Every year a large number of Mozambican laborers try to sneak into the country, and trek across the Kruger Preserve so they can work for $7 a day in the Soweto mines. Many of them end up in the stomachs of lions. I've seen slums in Kenya and Mumbai, none of them compare to the ones I saw just outside of Cape Town. There are no "poor but happy" people there. They are poor, angry and violent, and they have a deep seeded bitterness and a desperation that means they'd kill you for a small amount of money.

All that being said, I'd go back there in heartbeat, swim with the penguins at the tip of Cape Town, feed the monkeys, stay at the safari camps in the Kruger, eat delicious game I could never eat anywhere else, visit the wine estates and listen to a capella groups sing the most divinely soulful music I've ever heard. I'd do all that with the knowledge that I was taking a risk being there, though, and there is no way I'd brings kids, wives or someone with whom a parent entrusted me to keep safe.
 

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If anyone wants to get a glimpse at what your average resident of Central Michigan looks like watch any episode of "The Amazing Dr. Pol". It's eye opening.

:eek3:
 

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I spent a few weeks there about 10 years ago. It was one of my all-time favorite trips for a number of reasons, but as much as I loved it, I would absolutely NOT bring anyone with me if I ever visit again. It's an extremely dangerous place, and Harbaugh is putting his players and staff at risk. If I were the AD or President at UM I would put the kibosh on it.

I hear it's even worse now than it was ten years ago. At the time I went, Johannesburg and Cape Town were #1 and #2 murder capitals of the world. I stayed at the Johannesburg home of an NPR correspondent named Jason Beaubien who had been sent there with his family to live. This was an american reporter and he lived in a compound, basically: Twelve foot high walls, a man trap to get in through the heavy front gate, a security guard, automatic iron bars at the front door of the house and master bedroom that were activated by a panic button. The first day I was there, I opened up the newspaper and there was a story about an Afrikaans farmer, (dutch), who was being arraigned for taking one of his black workers out to the plain and throwing him to the lions, because after he'd fired him the guy came back to retrieve his pots, which were his only possession. He'd been picked clean by lions and then jackals, his niece was able to identify his skeletal remains because of his teeth. The picture of the Afrikaans on the front page was of him walking into the courtroom holding up both middle fingers with a smile on his face. On the same page there was an article about how there was no link between HIV and AIDS. There was a quote in the article from then Prime Minister Mbeki confirming his same belief.

It is absolutely one of the most beautiful and, at the same time, desperate places I've ever been. Even the animals are desperate. Every year a large number of Mozambican laborers try to sneak into the country, and trek across the Kruger Preserve so they can work for $7 a day in the Soweto mines. Many of them end up in the stomachs of lions. I've seen slums in Kenya and Mumbai, none of them compare to the ones I saw just outside of Cape Town. There are no "poor but happy" people there. They are poor, angry and violent, and they have a deep seeded bitterness and a desperation that means they'd kill you for a small amount of money.

All that being said, I'd go back there in heartbeat, swim with the penguins at the tip of Cape Town, feed the monkeys, stay at the safari camps in the Kruger, eat delicious game I could never eat anywhere else, visit the wine estates and listen to a capella groups sing the most divinely soulful music I've ever heard. I'd do all that with the knowledge that I was taking a risk being there, though, and there is no way I'd brings kids, wives or someone with whom a parent entrusted me to keep safe.

Ehhh. The parents of those players already know they're sending their kid off to play at Rutgers at least once, possibly twice.
 

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I hope they all get robbed and Harbough gets taken hostage by human traffickers. South Africa ain’t the safest place in the world.

This is long, but informative and eye-opening. At least it was for me.
 

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If anyone wants to get a glimpse at what your average resident of Central Michigan looks like watch any episode of "The Amazing Dr. Pol". It's eye opening.

:eek3:
Isn't this guy a typical resident of Central Michigan?

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Hilarious. So while these college robots supporting AOC and Sanders want free college, did they ever stop and ask themselves if any of these scholarship athletes that get this kinda of bread spent on them have any duty back to the school once they sign those big NBA and NFL contracts? Maybe we should tax their contracts and 70% and use if for free tuition or to pay off their student loans? No, they would rather focus on the guy that started a company from the bottom up, worked his ass off, saved and hired people and had success the old fashioned way. Sorry if this is more for the PF but I couldn't help myself.

I have actually heard people discussing this subject in the past and their attitude was that you cannot do this because the athletes are predominantly black while the business owner is predominantly white so it’s okay to come after him.
I guess the logic (flawed logic) is that white people don’t deserve success
Read through this and then explain to me how this position is not labeled as racist.
 

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I have actually heard people discussing this subject in the past and their attitude was that you cannot do this because the athletes are predominantly black while the business owner is predominantly white so it’s okay to come after him.
I guess the logic (flawed logic) is that white people don’t deserve success
Read through this and then explain to me how this position is not labeled as racist.

I find it racist that they are more black athletes getting scholarships to play D1 football to begin with. That's judged completely on ability. So it's not racist and in fact you could use this on every tax base for any african-american paying taxes. Tax codes written in such a way as to make exceptions for skin color wouldn't pass muster in the USSC i would hope. People are always gonna say something is racist.
 

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