Recruiting 2020 Recruiting Thread: Gervon Dexter gets 5th Star on Rivals

Swamp Donkey · May 13, 2019

rogdochar said:
, why not have reservation video Skypes with Jack Youngblood, Steve Spurier? Emmitt Smith, etc. For official visits show highlights of Gator greats at UF, in NFL followed by that retired star telling how UF assured their full good life. (Then go to prisons and present videos of Miami & FSU stars. :cool:)

Lots of rules limiting alumni contact.

BMF · May 13, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
He would be the only ILB on the roster.

I honestly have no clue what their plan is. Maybe play numerous stars? I seriously have no idea. There arent even any barely acceptable alternatives.

Oh.... I see. 215 pounds. That's why Uga and Bammer aren't on him. He is going to need at least two years in the weight room.

We don't have the time.

Probably playing walkons again.

I actually think 215-220 is a great size for a HS senior LB. If they're any bigger they tend to end up being rush-ends/OLB/buck's. I'm sure that weight is his junior season, so he likely shows up 12 months from now at 225+ and ends up being a 230-240lb guy before he's done. But yeah, we're in an odd situation...same goes for the DT/SDE (heavy DL positions). I'm guessing James Houston and/or Ventrell Miller will play the ILB spot when Reese leaves (or as backups this year).

Swamp Donkey · May 13, 2019

OLBs are are almost always smaller than ILBs. Very few exceptions (really tall dudes).

All of our OLB/hybrids/rush weigh 200-215ish. They certainly aren't bigger than a fullsize ILB (235-255)

BMF · May 13, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
OLBs are are almost always smaller than ILBs. Very few exceptions (really tall dudes).

All of our OLB/hybrids/rush weigh 200-215ish. They certainly aren't bigger than a fullsize ILB (235-255)

Houston is 6'1 235 and Miller is 6' 230....I'd assume they put on a few pounds this off-season. Reese is close to 250 (but is a liability in coverage).

Swamp Donkey · May 13, 2019

BMF said:
Houston is 6'1 235 and Miller is 6' 230....I'd assume they put on a few pounds this off-season. Reese is close to 250 (but is a liability in coverage).

He is a liablity in coverage bc he is slow not bc he is 250. He was slow at 220 also. And he was less of a liablity than Vosean bc at least he knew who he was supposed to be covering.

BMF · May 13, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
He is a liablity in coverage bc he is slow not bc he is 250. He was slow at 220 also. And he was less of a liablity than Vosean bc at least he knew who he was supposed to be covering.

I laughed at the last part!

Alagator · May 14, 2019

MADGator said:
Been trying to respond to this for days, so here goes...

........... unorganized and no communication......... He related a story as told to him, that a highly desired recruit committed to an out of state school, worked out an unofficial visit to UF with one of the assistant coaches; all he asked for was a hotel room for him and his GF. He was told it would be handled. The kid shows up with his GF, and they have nowhere to stay. It wasn't handled. So, unorganized and no communication, and they were left hanging.

I didn't think a school was allowed to pay for accommodations on an "unofficial visit" .?.?. If they paid for his room wouldn't it be a rules violation? If this story is true...You obviously don't tell a kid you're gonna do something and not do it. And if it's a violation, you clearly need a better "bag-man" to handle these things to keep UF clean.

By the looks of things, we aren't using ANY bag-men. I miss the days of having the pride of knowing other schools could cheat, and we'd still kick their azz. But after a decade of misery and now watching all the elite recruits going elsewhere, knowing that many of these places are offering "incentives"... I'm starting to rethink my stance. Yes, I want the pride of running a clean program. But UF is getting left behind in terms of facilities AND "incentives" many other programs offer. We need one or the other and we all know we're years away from an upgrade of facilities...

BMF · May 14, 2019

Alagator said:
I didn't think a school was allowed to pay for accommodations on an "unofficial visit" .?.?. If they paid for his room wouldn't it be a rules violation? If this story is true...You obviously don't tell a kid you're gonna do something and not do it. And if it's a violation, you clearly need a better "bag-man" to handle these things to keep UF clean.

By the looks of things, we aren't using ANY bag-men. I miss the days of having the pride of knowing other schools could cheat, and we'd still kick their azz. But after a decade of misery and now watching all the elite recruits going elsewhere, knowing that many of these places are offering "incentives"... I'm starting to rethink my stance. Yes, I want the pride of running a clean program. But UF is getting left behind in terms of facilities AND "incentives" many other programs offer. We need one or the other and we all know we're years away from an upgrade of facilities...

Thinking UF isn't doing what other programs are doing is a bit gullible. Sure, other programs may go a little farther, but UF is doing what other programs are doing. Under Butters we had FOUR former Bama coaches on staff (plus a couple other staffers). Collins got his start as Saban's recruiting coordinator (or Director of Recruiting or whatever they call it). You think he came to UF and just stopped doing what he was doing at Alabama....along w/ the other 4 assistants who saw it first hand? It's naive and gullible to think otherwise. It's also a 'sore loser' attitude to accuse other programs of cheating and saying your program is "clean". Over the last 10 years ANY program that's had success you can find Gator fans pointing fingers accusing them of cheating....but, of course when Meyer was here he did it 'clean' (then went to Ohio State and started "dropping bags").

The fact is: Mullen hired a sh*tty staff, he made sh*tty hires in the recruiting office, and our facilities puts us behind UCF and practically the entire SEC (other than Vandy). There needs to be a come to Jesus down there in Gainesville and it needs to happen ASAP!

Alagator · May 14, 2019

BMF said:
Thinking UF isn't doing what other programs are doing is a bit gullible. Sure, other programs may go a little farther, but UF is doing what other programs are doing. Under Butters we had FOUR former Bama coaches on staff (plus a couple other staffers). Collins got his start as Saban's recruiting coordinator (or Director of Recruiting or whatever they call it). You think he came to UF and just stopped doing what he was doing at Alabama....along w/ the other 4 assistants who saw it first hand? It's naive and gullible to think otherwise. It's also a 'sore loser' attitude to accuse other programs of cheating and saying your program is "clean". Over the last 10 years ANY program that's had success you can find Gator fans pointing fingers accusing them of cheating....but, of course when Meyer was here he did it 'clean' (then went to Ohio State and started "dropping bags").

The fact is: Mullen hired a sh*tty staff, he made sh*tty hires in the recruiting office, and our facilities puts us behind UCF and practically the entire SEC (other than Vandy). There needs to be a come to Jesus down there in Gainesville and it needs to happen ASAP!

I’m not so gullible to believe we are squeaky clean and haven’t broken rules. However, I know the mother of a longtime assistant AD under Jeremy Foley. He worked for the athletic department for over 20 years. She told me that her son said that JF would not put up with that crap...Not after the 80’s probation. When he took over he was intent on running a clean program and every coach knew it was their ass if they got caught breaking the rules. With JF still hanging around and many assuming Stricklin still takes marching orders from Foley... I assume but in no way know for sure, the intent is still the same.

I’m not claiming that it doesn’t happen behind administrations back. But I haven’t found one person who doesn’t believe uga and bama are blatantly breaking the rules. Hell, when I talk to bama fans about it they all laugh about it, they’re almost proud of it. They feel invincible.

My original question is still the same: Isn’t it a rule violation to offer lodging to a recruit on an “unofficial” visit ?

Gator By Marriage · May 14, 2019

Alagator said:
I’m so gullible to believe we are squeaky clean and haven’t broken rules. However, I know the mother of a longtime assistant AD under Jeremy Foley. He worked for the athletic department for over 20 years. She told me that her son said that JF would not put up with that crap...Not after the 80’s probation. When he took over he was intent on running a clean program and every coach knew it was their ass if they got caught breaking the rules. With JF still hanging around and many assuming Stricklin still takes marching orders from Foley... I assume but in no way know for sure, the intent is still the same.

I’m not claiming that it doesn’t happen behind administrations back. But I haven’t found one person who doesn’t believe uga and bama are blatantly breaking the rules. Hell, when I talk to bama fans about it they all laugh about it, they’re almost proud of it. They feel invincible.

My original question is still the same: Isn’t it a rule violation to offer lodging to a recruit on an “unofficial” visit ?

I know a lot of Barn fans here in ATL. They absolutely think Cam got paid (and paid big) and feel it was totally worth it. Don't care much about Bama (or Barn), but would love to see Ugly get caught. Oh and the answer to your question is yes.

BMF · May 14, 2019

Alagator said:
I’m so gullible to believe we are squeaky clean and haven’t broken rules. However, I know the mother of a longtime assistant AD under Jeremy Foley. He worked for the athletic department for over 20 years. She told me that her son said that JF would not put up with that crap...Not after the 80’s probation. When he took over he was intent on running a clean program and every coach knew it was their ass if they got caught breaking the rules. With JF still hanging around and many assuming Stricklin still takes marching orders from Foley... I assume but in no way know for sure, the intent is still the same.

I’m not claiming that it doesn’t happen behind administrations back. But I haven’t found one person who doesn’t believe uga and bama are blatantly breaking the rules. Hell, when I talk to bama fans about it they all laugh about it, they’re almost proud of it. They feel invincible.

My original question is still the same: Isn’t it a rule violation to offer lodging to a recruit on an “unofficial” visit ?

Joker Phillips got caught cheating (had he not gotten caught none of us would have ever known).

Muschamp gave VH3's sister a job in the athletic department the same year we signed him.

Chris Rainey admitted to "hundred dollar handshakes" then said, "It's good to be Chris Rainey".

I'm sure there's a lot of things that the administration doesn't "know" about. It's probably one of those things "...if I didn't see it, it didn't happen" sort of things. But UF isn't clean....just like UGA isn't clean (and UGA's AD worked as the #2 under Jeremy Foley).

neteng · May 14, 2019

Alagator said:
... With JF still hanging around and many assuming Stricklin still takes marching orders from Foley... ...

Who are these 'many' that assume Stricklin is 'still' taking orders from Foley?

Is this effing true? If so ... no point in even caring anymore.

alcoholica · May 14, 2019

Gator By Marriage said:
I know a lot of Barn fans here in ATL. They absolutely think Cam got paid (and paid big) and feel it was totally worth it. Don't care much about Bama (or Barn), but would love to see Ugly get caught. Oh and the answer to your question is yes.

Of course he got paid, his dad got caught. It’s not even disputed.

leogator · May 14, 2019

BMF said:
Thinking UF isn't doing what other programs are doing is a bit gullible. Sure, other programs may go a little farther, but UF is doing what other programs are doing. Under Butters we had FOUR former Bama coaches on staff (plus a couple other staffers). Collins got his start as Saban's recruiting coordinator (or Director of Recruiting or whatever they call it). You think he came to UF and just stopped doing what he was doing at Alabama....along w/ the other 4 assistants who saw it first hand? It's naive and gullible to think otherwise. It's also a 'sore loser' attitude to accuse other programs of cheating and saying your program is "clean". Over the last 10 years ANY program that's had success you can find Gator fans pointing fingers accusing them of cheating....but, of course when Meyer was here he did it 'clean' (then went to Ohio State and started "dropping bags").

The fact is: Mullen hired a sh*tty staff, he made sh*tty hires in the recruiting office, and our facilities puts us behind UCF and practically the entire SEC (other than Vandy). There needs to be a come to Jesus down there in Gainesville and it needs to happen ASAP!

We don't have bagmen, we don't have bagmen, we don't have bagmen. Did we have bagmen back in Urban Meyer days, yes but we don't have them any more.

leogator · May 14, 2019

BMF said:
Joker Phillips got caught cheating (had he not gotten caught none of us would have ever known).

Muschamp gave VH3's sister a job in the athletic department the same year we signed him.

Chris Rainey admitted to "hundred dollar handshakes" then said, "It's good to be Chris Rainey".

I'm sure there's a lot of things that the administration doesn't "know" about. It's probably one of those things "...if I didn't see it, it didn't happen" sort of things. But UF isn't clean....just like UGA isn't clean (and UGA's AD worked as the #2 under Jeremy Foley).

Joker got caught talking to a recruit when it was not allowed, OMG!!!

CGgater · May 14, 2019

BMF said:
But UF isn't clean....just like UGA isn't clean (and UGA's AD worked as the #2 under Jeremy Foley).

Well, if we’re dirty, we suck at it.

ThreatMatrix · May 14, 2019

CGgater said:
Well, if we’re dirty, we suck at it.

No sh it.
For what it’s worth I haven’t heard of any of our kids getting sweet deals from the local car dealership. Or apparently free room & board on unofficial visits.
That crap is easy to do and not run afoul of the impotent NCAA.

lizardbreath · May 14, 2019

I tend to agree (with zero first-hand knowledge) with the assertion that probably no institution is free of over zealous alumni who spread the filthy lucre around with wild abandon. Some are no doubt more generous with the old Midas touch than others, but all have sinned and fall short of the glory of the NCAA infractions committee. Where I differ from some others is in the apparent assertion that all are equally guilty. IMO, If Ole Miss was the textbook example of a low potential high achiever "successfully" cheating its way to momentary prominence, UF is the prime example of a rank-ass amateur in that particular field of endeavor.

I remember the calamity of the Pell scandal all too well and I hope that we aren't stupid enough to get ourselves into that kind of mess ever again. Also IMO, the SEC is as crooked as a dog's hind leg and I don't doubt that the temptation to "keep up with the Smart's and the Sabans" is enormous. But the fix ain't in for us, and never will be. We're just not ever going to be invited to join the cornbread mafia - ever. If we get caught cheating the way some have, and some others still do, we are totally and permanently screwed.

Gator By Marriage · May 14, 2019

alcoholica said:
Of course he got paid, his dad got caught. It’s not even disputed.

My point was they didn’t care. It was worth a natty and a Heisman.

alcoholica · May 14, 2019

Gator By Marriage said:
My point was they didn’t care. It was worth a natty and a Heisman.

Yeah, I wouldn’t care either

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