Chris Steele transfers to USC(!), now has "everything he ever wanted"

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Interested in knowing which non-serial killers from the Meyer era posted better NFL receiving stats than Ike Hilliard or Darrell Jackson.
 

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Interested in knowing which non-serial killers from the Meyer era posted better NFL receiving stats than Ike Hilliard or Darrell Jackson.

1st off you pick the top 2 from a ten year stint to validated an argument I never made. When did the best receiver conversation ever come up? Please quote me and ill answer it
 

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1st off you pick the top 2 from a ten year stint to validated an argument I never made. When did the best receiver conversation ever come up? Please quote me and ill answer it
That's certainly what you were doing with #1119.
 

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And by all means add Jabar Gaffney and Travis Taylor to the mix.

That's four Spurrier receivers who were head and shoulders better.
 

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That's certainly what you were doing with #1119.

Quote it then. I may be mistaken as I'm fresh out of ACL repair today but I wont argue the longetivity of Hilliard and Jackson. I argued that despite the gaudy numbers of several Spurrier receivers in college, few had even remotely successful careers.

Meyer had guys who consistently made the NFL for multiple seasons. Unfortunately most all were cut short by injury or...murder. David nelson you wouldn't think would sniff a roster let alone play meaningful minutes. Murphy was a pleasant surprise. Percy was mvp but we know how that ended up. Hernandez should be forgotten but he still was elite in college and on his way in the pros. Trey Burton, Andre Caldwell, Riley cooper etc etc. Thats a high hit rate for a short period and a run heavy offense . that's the only point I made
 

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I agree to a point. Most of those guys played a lot regardless if their numbers were gaudy or not. We had good offenses when they were here and their blocking and receiving were fundamental to the success. I know it's sacrilege but if Tim left his senior year and Cam wasnt a scumbag id bet their receiving numbers would have been off the charts

So this is going to sound like a stars don't matter thing, and it's not meant to be. What I was trying to say is that a lot of 5*s are based on potential to the NFL. Not that skill isn't a factor, it is, but raw athleticism and physical measurements matter too. Stars are used to project NFL success as much or more than college success.

That being said, there are reasons why some 3*s become stud players and some 5*s bust. Now the SEC is as close to the NFL as you can get in the college game. So your margin to risk on 3*s is less here, the game is faster. The point I was trying to make is summed up perfectly with David Reese. He has been a very functional LB for us and has contributed a lot, but he probably won't sniff much in the NFL. Just too many physical limitations. Now look at someone like Will Hill who was a 5* and probably never contributed nearly as much as Reese, but Will Hill's NFL career will predictably be better at the end of the day.

So the only thing in my mind that makes someone's success in the NFL relevant is that it may help us recruit. Part of the problem with out recruiting isn't necessarily that we've been taking 3*s, but we've HAD to take 3*s. There is a difference between scouting and vetting a 3* and saying that he's going to be a star, starter, contributor. There is always a reason he's a 3* and you have to identify why. Does he not go to camps? Measurables off? Play multiple sports? Just start playing football? etc, etc, etc.

Now I'm not advocating recruiting 3*s over 4*s or 5*s. The odds are what they are. But ultimately, what I care about is, will this guy contribute at UF and how much? If someone like Torrian Gray latches onto a 3* and says we need this kid, I'm going to trust that 3* more than a 4* from English. Because Gray should be able to land 4* and 5* talent and he chose a 3*. Same with Seider. So given our recruiters, we need higher stars from a sheer percentage and playing the numbers standpoint. It's why kids are given a bump if Bama offers a 3*. Because Bama could probably do better if they wanted to, from a rating perspective.
 

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Quote it then. I may be mistaken as I'm fresh out of ACL repair today but I wont argue the longetivity of Hilliard and Jackson. I argued that despite the gaudy numbers of several Spurrier receivers in college, few had even remotely successful careers.

And what are the significant accomplishments of Meyer's skilled people in the NFL?

I'm having a hard time understanding where you're trying to go with this. They were both great college coaches. I'm happy with that.
 

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UAA leaks constantly. If there is something positive to leak Drooley would be opining by now. But maybe he is just drunk still.

I think there will be more info on the staff changes soon. One was obvious, a criminal charge, but the other staffs changes were just not explained at all.

Which other ones?
 

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I mean I'm far from a pumper. I'd spend eternity in the 90s under Spurrier if I could. Just saying Meyer/Mullen's receivers leave fundamentally sound like no others. The main bust was chad Jackson and it seemed like nothing would make him reach his potential. The other guys who made it to the NFL even for a few years were far from the Julio Jones, Megatron, Crabtree hype and physical abilities
Meyers receivers got drafted because they were big and fast. Murphy, cooper and Nelson were all pretty big guys. Those 3 come to mind when I think of that era. I'm sure I'm missing some more
 

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And what are the significant accomplishments of Meyer's skilled people in the NFL?

I'm having a hard time understanding where you're trying to go with this. They were both great college coaches. I'm happy with that.

Someone made a snarky swipe about Mullen's blocking wrs. Thats my only point. Despite playing in a run heavy offense Mullen and Gonzales have a good track record of producing a well round product at receiver who are capable in ways that dont always show up in receiving yards alone. Thats all
 

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Which other ones?
Someone did the list a few days ago.

Im sorry. I just dont remember. Two were Mulkinz guys, one was a Grantham dude, and one was a HS xoach were hired.
 

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Trey Burton was mentioned. He has 1000 yards total. I didnt bother with any of the SOS receivers in that range.

Reche had 1800.

i will check some others later. Wasnt thinking about going down to 1000 yarders.

As for the argument that maybe injuries have hurt Meyer's receivers' nfl numbers, off the top of my head, Ike, Quez, T Taylor and Reche had significant injuries. Maybe more.
 

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Trey Burton was mentioned. He has 1000 yards total. I didnt bother with any of the SOS receivers in that range.

Reche had 1800.

i will check some others later. Wasnt thinking about going down to 1000 yarders.

As for the argument that maybe injuries have hurt Meyer's receivers' nfl numbers, off the top of my head, Ike, Quez, T Taylor and Reche had significant injuries. Maybe more.
I don't even think Quez wanted to play. Isn't he the one that wanted to be a record producer?
 

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No. He is a HS coach now even.

Naffis Kareem maybe? I do t know.
No, it was one of our top receivers, maybe Anthony. Anyway, they played pro ball for money, but their passion was music. By not finding anything, they must’ve sucked at their passion.
 

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Sorry to bring this thread back to its original subject, but it's being leaked by the Gator side that Steele never asked to be moved. What probably happened is that he talked to Warren and Warren ignored him (too busy lining up his next job at Georgia) and never ran it up the chain of command or sideways to the football operations people so there's no application to be moved document anywhere in the system. Or he never told anybody, including Hill.
 
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Sorry to bring this thread back to its original subject, but it's being leaked by the Gator side that Steele never asked to be moved. What probably happened is that he talked to Warren and Warren ignored him (too busy lining up his next job at Georgia) and never ran it up the chain of command or sideways to the football operations people so there's no application to be moved document anywhere in the system. Or he never told anybody, including Hill.

WTF? Sounds like damage control but if true then you have to come out and say he never asked to be moved. Just because there's no application doesn't mean he didn't ask. Mullen can flat out come out and say Steele never asked to be moved. There's no privacy law precluding him from saying that. With all the bad press, you HAVE to come out and say it.
 

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WTF? Sounds like damage control but if true then you have to come out and say he never asked to be moved. Just because there's no application doesn't mean he didn't ask. Mullen can flat out come out and say Steele never asked to be moved. There's no privacy law precluding him from saying that. With all the bad press, you HAVE to come out and say it.
In order to say that, I believe he would have had to consult and then reveal the contents of a student's record. Which is not allowed.
 

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