Florida State is in shambles: throw INT in end zone after being in winning FG range

Which would you rather see?

  • UF wins 2020 National Championship

    Votes: 146 81.1%
  • FSU football program permanently dismantled

    Votes: 34 18.9%

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? They got an official dumpster jumpster? Wiltee's version of Mr.Two Bits?
 

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This is so true. Listening to him on his podcast try to spin the Atcavage and Boatright commits was hilarious.

I truth though, what is he supposed to say? "Well guys, it is clear to anyone with eyes that we are on the pain train. Might as well cancel those subs until the university figures out a way to pay this buyout."
 

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I truth though, what is he supposed to say? "Well guys, it is clear to anyone with eyes that we are on the pain train. Might as well cancel those subs until the university figures out a way to pay this buyout."

He tried, but he couldn't sell it. That podcast was depressing. It was like if Swonkey did a podcast during the Butters' years.
 

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He tried, but he couldn't sell it. That podcast was depressing. It was like if Swonkey did a podcast during the Butters' years.

But it was about f$u recruiting. How is that depressing???
 

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He tried, but he couldn't sell it. That podcast was depressing. It was like if Swonkey did a podcast during the Butters' years.
Crete says I was a Butterslover and you guys have just forgotten how positive I was about that guy after I deleted my posts.
 

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He tried, but he couldn't sell it. That podcast was depressing. It was like if Swonkey did a podcast during the Butters' years.

Newberg got drunk and belligerent on air and then hit on the coed intern running the sound board? Impressive. Didn't think he had it in him. I'll have to give it a listen.
 

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More FSUx gold:

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/fsu-...LLLLLLLie-taggart-isnt-on-the-hot-seat-money/

As the Seminole Boosters’ board of directors started its off-schedule meeting in February, chair Doug Russell made sure everyone listening understood the importance of what they were about to hear.

The “information being presented was very sensitive and needs to remain within the room,” Russell said, according to meeting minutes obtained last week by the Tampa Bay Times.

That information was part of the background conversations that led to the recent formation of the Florida State University Athletics Association. But it’s hard not to connect what was shared in that meeting to the dilemma overshadowing FSU football.

[ READ MORE: FSU forms direct support organization to align athletic department with Seminole Boosters ]

No, coach WiLLLLLLLie Taggart’s job isn’t in jeopardy heading into Year 2.

It can’t be. The money isn’t there.

FSU’s financial shortfalls haven’t been a secret. Athletic director David Coburn has been upfront about the Seminoles’ $3 million-plus deficit in the 2018 fiscal year. The athletic department needed a $6 million transfer from the boosters in May to balance this year’s budget.

Fixing those problems through greater collaboration between the boosters and athletic department was at the heart of why both sides agreed to form the FSUAA, a direct-support organization established by FSU’s board of trustees last month. Money, in fact, was the first reason Russell cited in a May email to the board of directors, before they voted on the move.

“As we all know, the FSU Athletics program has been struggling financially,” Russell wrote.

As the Times reviewed 302 pages of documents — obtained under open-records laws — about the FSUAA’s formation, those struggles looked even worse than expected.

[ MORE FSU FOOTBALL: WiLLLLLLLie Taggart on the state of FSU football: ‘It’s going well. We’re undefeated’ ]

Coburn described a bleak financial picture at the Seminole Boosters meeting in February. He explained how his department trimmed every sport’s discretionary budget, froze its hiring and reduced travel. When coaches recruit foreign players, they cut costs by sharing trips with other schools.

And given an unattractive home football schedule that includes Miami but no other marquee team, the situation probably isn’t going to get much better immediately.

“Coburn noted we would get out of this but we have to make it through next year...” the meeting’s minutes read. “Coburn said the Boosters have done a great job of saving for a rainy day and from his perspective it is about to start pouring.”

The boosters, apparently, agreed.

“Regarding the budget, we prepared you for it but it’s difficult to actually see the numbers,” Russell and Seminole Boosters president and CEO Andy Miller wrote four months later. “In order to balance this year and next, it will be necessary to sell assets.”

Sell assets. Difficult to actually see the numbers. About to start pouring. Make it through next year.

Does that sound like a program that could afford a $17 million buyout of Taggart after two seasons, even if it wanted to?

And there’s no indication that FSU’s power brokers want Taggart on the hot seat, even after the Seminoles’ bowl streak ended with last year’s 5-7 failure.

The wreckage Taggart inherited from Jimbo Fisher looks worse now than it did when Fisher bolted for Texas A&M. Barring an on-field (think: 1-11) disaster or off-field scandal, Taggart deserves more than two years to try to turn around FSU the same way he did USF and Western Kentucky.


[ RELATED: Why Jimbo Fisher deserves blame for FSU football’s mess ]

That doesn’t excuse last year’s record, nor does it give him five more years to repair the program. By then, FSU’s finances might be much better, and his buyout will be lower.

The upcoming ACC Network could give FSU $7-8 million once it’s fully operational, Coburn told boosters. Attendance (and income) should rise with better schedules, like the future Georgia series. The new athletic association is supposed to reduce duplicated costs and potentially boost revenue.

“I have every confidence in David Coburn to cut expenses where he can and negotiate new revenues,” Russell and Miller wrote, “but it will take time and that’s why it will be necessary for Seminole Boosters to provide the additional support.”

Eventually, that support should cause the rainy day to end. But unless the sun starts shining immediately, Taggart’s future seems safe through at least 2020.

Contact Matt Baker at [email protected]. Follow @MBakerTBTimes.
My thoughts and opinions on all this begin with thank goodness we didn't listen to the crowd that wants to change the culture (and the world) and make what is essentially an affirmative action hire when we got Dan Mullen. Hire the best person available that is suited for the job, period. From what I hear of Taggert, he's a nice guy, morally sound, and won't embarrass you off the field. But on the field, he's clearly not ready for the stage he is on. His assembled staff performed more like Bubba and Skillet to his Fred Sanford. Hell, if there were still any questions as to his struggles, they should have been answered when they couldn't get 11 on the field against us and left an uncovered receiver for an easy score...in game 12. This doesn't happen to better coaches and staffs in high level college football. Not only do average fans not support this monetarily, but neither do your high dollar boosters.

Lest you think my rant is all racial, I believe there are quality AA (and other minority) coaches out there. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin, and even grandpa Herm Edwards are all guys I believe you can count on to put a well-run and competitive program together (whether they are marquee hires or not is a matter of opinion). But the bottom line is that you better hire a guy that is proven to whatever extent is acceptable and doesn't fail your primary income sources. The fact that Taggert has an overall losing record as a HC should have been the litmus test. His reputation for turning programs around is fool's gold considering his propensity to cut and run. The word from the Noles up in this part of the world was that they were "embracing diversity," getting someone that the athletes could better relate to. The lesson there is you better worry about how well who you hire can coach, recruit, and manage a program. At the end of the day, you're developing football players and hopefully good citizens (for the greater part), not social justice warriors. Let the liberal arts professors take care of that end.

I pray that we never fall into a similar hole, but it's fun to think that the Noles will keep on digging while they're in the one that they're in.
 

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My thoughts and opinions on all this begin with thank goodness we didn't listen to the crowd that wants to change the culture (and the world) and make what is essentially an affirmative action hire when we got Dan Mullen. Hire the best person available that is suited for the job, period. From what I hear of Taggert, he's a nice guy, morally sound, and won't embarrass you off the field. But on the field, he's clearly not ready for the stage he is on. His assembled staff performed more like Bubba and Skillet to his Fred Sanford. Hell, if there were still any questions as to his struggles, they should have been answered when they couldn't get 11 on the field against us and left an uncovered receiver for an easy score...in game 12. This doesn't happen to better coaches and staffs in high level college football. Not only do average fans not support this monetarily, but neither do your high dollar boosters.

Lest you think my rant is all racial, I believe there are quality AA (and other minority) coaches out there. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin, and even grandpa Herm Edwards are all guys I believe you can count on to put a well-run and competitive program together (whether they are marquee hires or not is a matter of opinion). But the bottom line is that you better hire a guy that is proven to whatever extent is acceptable and doesn't fail your primary income sources. The fact that Taggert has an overall losing record as a HC should have been the litmus test. His reputation for turning programs around is fool's gold considering his propensity to cut and run. The word from the Noles up in this part of the world was that they were "embracing diversity," getting someone that the athletes could better relate to. The lesson there is you better worry about how well who you hire can coach, recruit, and manage a program. At the end of the day, you're developing football players and hopefully good citizens (for the greater part), not social justice warriors. Let the liberal arts professors take care of that end.

I pray that we never fall into a similar hole, but it's fun to think that the Noles will keep on digging while they're in the one that they're in.
If “embracing diversity” was truly a factor in hiring him, and I think the evidence is there to say it was, it sure makes firing him even more difficult. The whole diversity thing will ring quite hollow if he’s given anything less than three years. Combined with the financial situation, they have really painted themselves into a corner.
 

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My thoughts and opinions on all this begin with thank goodness we didn't listen to the crowd that wants to change the culture (and the world) and make what is essentially an affirmative action hire when we got Dan Mullen. Hire the best person available that is suited for the job, period. From what I hear of Taggert, he's a nice guy, morally sound, and won't embarrass you off the field. But on the field, he's clearly not ready for the stage he is on. His assembled staff performed more like Bubba and Skillet to his Fred Sanford. Hell, if there were still any questions as to his struggles, they should have been answered when they couldn't get 11 on the field against us and left an uncovered receiver for an easy score...in game 12. This doesn't happen to better coaches and staffs in high level college football. Not only do average fans not support this monetarily, but neither do your high dollar boosters.

Lest you think my rant is all racial, I believe there are quality AA (and other minority) coaches out there. Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin, and even grandpa Herm Edwards are all guys I believe you can count on to put a well-run and competitive program together (whether they are marquee hires or not is a matter of opinion). But the bottom line is that you better hire a guy that is proven to whatever extent is acceptable and doesn't fail your primary income sources. The fact that Taggert has an overall losing record as a HC should have been the litmus test. His reputation for turning programs around is fool's gold considering his propensity to cut and run. The word from the Noles up in this part of the world was that they were "embracing diversity," getting someone that the athletes could better relate to. The lesson there is you better worry about how well who you hire can coach, recruit, and manage a program. At the end of the day, you're developing football players and hopefully good citizens (for the greater part), not social justice warriors. Let the liberal arts professors take care of that end.

I pray that we never fall into a similar hole, but it's fun to think that the Noles will keep on digging while they're in the one that they're in.

One team that has fallen off in a massive way is Florida State. Declining attendance combined with poor performance (5-7 in 2018) could cost the Seminoles several million dollars in 2019. In fact, the FSU budget has projected an $8 million decrease in ticket revenue, according to a new report by Warchant’s Ira Schoffel.

FSU’s season ticket sales could fall below 25,000 out of a possible 40,000 this season. If it finishes with less than 25,000 tickets sold, that would be a decrease of 20 percent year over year.

“It’s a reflection of the last two or three seasons we’ve had, the schedule we have at home, and the attitude of this generation between 20 and 40 about going to live sporting events,” FSU athletics director David Coburn told Warchant in a recent interview.
 

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One team that has fallen off in a massive way is Florida State. Declining attendance combined with poor performance (5-7 in 2018) could cost the Seminoles several million dollars in 2019. In fact, the FSU budget has projected an $8 million decrease in ticket revenue, according to a new report by Warchant’s Ira Schoffel.

FSU’s season ticket sales could fall below 25,000 out of a possible 40,000 this season. If it finishes with less than 25,000 tickets sold, that would be a decrease of 20 percent year over year.

“It’s a reflection of the last two or three seasons we’ve had, the schedule we have at home, and the attitude of this generation between 20 and 40 about going to live sporting events,” FSU athletics director David Coburn told Warchant in a recent interview.
The fact that they are projecting an 8 million decrease in ticket sales tells you a lot about the confidence they have in their Cap'n. I guess nobody wants to pay and see them possibly win at home against a really weak schedule. I read somewhere that they're banking on the new ACC channel for about 7 mil in revenue whenever it takes off. All the faithful up this way are hoping Taggert lasts at least this season so that his buyout will be 'manageable.' Then there's the sharp decline they are experiencing in recruiting. For as much as they screwed with us about Muschamp and McElwain, I can't wipe the smile off of my face when I'm privy to a garnet and gold sob fest.

One thing I can commiserate with them about is how to attract the 20 to 40 crowd to the live events. May as well throw the students in there, too. Winning alone isn't enough it seems. I'd like to think another championship would be what it takes, but until then...

My old @ss is struggling to accept prevailing attitudes toward sports as the younger generations appear more and more unfocused in the way I recall when I was their age.
 

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The fact that they are projecting an 8 million decrease in ticket sales..
You cant afford to keep a shytty coach.

The rule Fooley never learned.

Even better, their roster is going to be CUSA level in a year, and it sure as hell wont be attractive.

So.. interim? Welll.... they just hired an "OC" who has never called plays (Daddy, Kiffin and Applewhite did, Applewhite poorly enough to get himself fired). So Kendal Briles is it?

Harlon Barnett? :lmao2:

This is getting better and better. :popcorn:
 
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My thoughts and opinions on all this begin with thank goodness we didn't listen to the crowd that wants to change the culture (and the world) and make what is essentially an affirmative action hire when we got Dan Mullen. .

There really was no momentum to hire that turd. Just a couple of South Florida twitter people and Dubs.

Everyone else read that resume and saw a garbage coach whose ceiling is 7-5 in the little leagues.
 

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You cant afford to keep a shytty coach.

The rule Fooley never learned.

Even better, their roster is going to be CUSA level in a year, and it sure as hell wont be attractive.

So.. interim? Welll.... they just hired an "OC" who has never called plays (Daddy, Kiffin and Applewhite did, Applewhite poorly enough to get himself fired). So Kendal Briles is it?

Harlon Barnett? :lmao2:

This is getting better and better. :popcorn:
I've heard 'Interim' mentioned, but like you say...who? Odell Haggins? They're clinging to the rim.

There really was no momentum to hire that turd. Just a couple of South Florida twitter people and Dubs.

Everyone else read that resume and saw a garbage coach whose ceiling is 7-5 in the little leagues.
Hard to know what's what with the state of the media and sports journalism in general these days. I know there was a huge swell among the Noles when they captured Taggert. Many were glad they got him instead of us. So am I. Given the need of many...non-conservatives to make a statement in any hiring or election scenario that disregards qualifications and hires/elects specifically against past norms, I would not be surprised if there wasn't more support for Taggert from a segment of our fans than what might be suspected. Moot point now and should remain that way as long as Mullen stays on the uptick.
 

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