Single plane swing

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This thread is proof of 2 things:

1) People will argue about anything on the internet
2) it’s not football season
 

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Are we arguing? I am not looking at it that way. Apologies @Zambo if that is how I am coming off. Its golf.
 

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Drink beer when I play golf and keep score as follows:

I count the number of balls I start with. If I finish the round without losing one, I shot par.

If I lose a ball, I am 1 over. If I find 1, I am 1 under.

I guarantee I have way more fun than anyone of you.
 

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We certainly aren’t arguing. I’m enjoying the discussion.

As for the grip I don’t consider opening the face to be altering the grip. The grip is round. I can use the exact same grip with any club face angle. I could even hold the face upside down if I have to swing left handed. It would be interesting to measure how much the feel changes due to centrifugal weight caused by a slight opening or closing of the face.
 

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This is the sports forum.

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Golf is not a sport. Golf is a hobby. Like darts. Or collecting stamps.






Alex.

Alex, I typically like what you post. Don’t just flush it all down the toilet after all the good you’ve done.
 

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Upright was great for irons. But for me my driver was long but all over the place. My swing change was when I was about 45. I wanted to hit a natural draw. I also got tired of going over the top and dumping a push/slice into the parking lot once a round. I emulated jack when I was young and got down to a 3 or 4. But I had to practice till my hands were bloody. No talent...none. I got tired of trying to swing like only one human being on earth could swing. That would be Nicklaus. Golf my way...pffft. Now with the new equipment and I guess a new philosophy, a fade is in. FML.

You friend must have the hand eye coordination of the gods. I don't know him but I hate him anyhow.

And finally while I'm ragging on Nicklaus. I also copied the way he hit wedges early in his career...all wristy. Thanks Jack. When I figured out that was wrong I shaved a few strokes.

All that said. Jack's still the GOAT.
I'd like to throat punch "lefty" for making me try to hit that damned flop shot into low earth orbit from 10' off the green. SOB had me fighting off one of the worst cases of the shanks in my life for about a month after that.
 

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I'd like to throat punch "lefty" for making me try to hit that damned flop shot into low earth orbit from 10' off the green. SOB had me fighting off one of the worst cases of the shanks in my life for about a month after that.

 

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EDIT: You mentioned that shaft length and swing plane were two separate things for Bryson but truth be told they are not. They are integral parts of his philosophy and if you remove one then the other is ruined. His premise is to have all his clubs the same length and lie angle so his swing would be the same.

This part isn't correct. I thought he has his clubs at the same length and weight but let's the face angles stay like normal clubs in that each one is different.
 

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By lie angle he’s talking about how they sit on the ground. This angle has to change with clubs of different lengths so the sole sits flat. If you lengthened your PW 1.5” like a 7 iron the toe would be pointed up unless you bend the hosel to make it sit flat.

I don’t think I said that single length and single plane weren’t part of Brysons total package, but you most certainly can use one without the other.
 

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This part isn't correct. I thought he has his clubs at the same length and weight but let's the face angles stay like normal clubs in that each one is different.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but once you change the lenght of your clubs you have to adjust the lie of that club. Otherwise, you will inevitably cause yourself to hit shots left or right of target (depending on if the lie angle is obtuse or acute) as well as cause action on the ball to further move that ball left or right).

By lie angle he’s talking about how they sit on the ground. This angle has to change with clubs of different lengths so the sole sits flat. If you lengthened your PW 1.5” like a 7 iron the toe would be pointed up unless you bend the hosel to make it sit flat.

I don’t think I said that single length and single plane weren’t part of Brysons total package, but you most certainly can use one without the other.

Correct. That is exactly what I was meaning. But for that second part, unless you are deliberately changing the swing plane inorder to work the ball one way or the other, the foundation of having a single swing plane revolves around having all your clubs the same length. I think you are referring to each individual swing staying with in the swing plane of that swing instead of the same plane whether he uses a 3i or 9i. They most definitely do require the other.

BTW ... on cue, Bryson is golfing his ball great at this weekend's tourney. Haven't really been following it but I wonder if most the big names are at the Irish Open this weekend. I have been more focused on getting caught up for the Tour De France that starts tomorrow.
 

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The term single plane refers to starting your swing on the same plane that you finish your swing, not about having the same plane for every club.
 

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The term single plane refers to starting your swing on the same plane that you finish your swing, not about having the same plane for every club.

And Bryson asked the question why should my swing plane be different for different clubs. His answer was it shouldn't. His driver is different though. I haven't looked into it but don't you have to adjust carry by adding or subtracting loft to each club. His short Irons must make rain.
 
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The term single plane refers to starting your swing on the same plane that you finish your swing, not about having the same plane for every club.

Yes. And no. Yes, everyone of us who have picked up a golf club have tried to produce a full swing over and over so that we could predict exactly where the golf ball would end up. Part of that quest was to stay in a plane during the swing from address, up top, impact and finish ... all on a single plane.

But ... no, when you reference Bryson and a single swing plane then you have to understand he has tried to take it a step further with his irons. I think his original premise was to have one single swing plane no matter what iron he pulled out. A 3i and a SW would all be on the same plane. To do so ... he has all his irons the same length ... 7i ... which I believe is 37 to 38" depending on how tall he is. It gets much deeper than that because the more you cut a shaft down the stiffer it gets, modern irons all have different weights per clubhead (2i-LW) which have play a big role in torgue through the swing and a number of other factors that would be a red herring to the point. I assumed you knew this ... Bryson's single swing plane is much more than just staying on a single plane for each individual swing ... it encompasses all of his irons being a single swing plane.
 

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Man now I feel like we really are arguing. I understand what Bryson does but this thread isn't about Bryson. I used him as an example because he's the best player in the world using the single plane technique. The fact that he also uses single length clubs doesn't mean that is the definition of a single plane swing. Moe was the master of the single plane swing but he used normal clubs like most others who use the single plane swing.
 

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Zambo you have two versions of single plane. Moe is more like a single plane the club more of less never leaves the back swing plane, Meaning its on the in the same plane on the downswing.. A different version means that there are two separate planes but they are both parallel to each other. Which one were you trying to do. I'd kill myself trying moe's version. And its ugly.
 

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