POLL: Who's your Favorite Women's World Cup Soccer Player?

And the choices are... Alex Morgan: Her overly involved soccer dad would kill you if he knew even h

  • Alex Morgan

    Votes: 19 29.2%
  • Hope Solo

    Votes: 5 7.7%
  • Abby Wambach

    Votes: 5 7.7%
  • Carli Lloyd

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Fk Jeremy Foley and his liberal Title IX agenda

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • Mia Hamm Sammich

    Votes: 18 27.7%

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Again, I've yet to see that. January-camp games aren't really determinative of anything since they're largely experimental sides testing out new players and formations; and our other friendlies have been less than convincing (a 1-1 tie with Chile in which they were the better team; a 1-0 win vs Ecuador on a fluke goal; a 1-0 win vs a young mexico team; a 1-0 loss to Jamaica that was playing mostly USL players; and a 3-0 loss to a full-strength Venezuela). I already mentioned the less than convincing performances at the Gold Cup vs Panama, Jamaica (yes, we won 3-1, but Jamaica dominated that match after the lightning delay until Pulisic sealed it with a goal against the run of play), Curacao, and mexico.

For the first 25 minutes or so, Berhalter is brilliant. Once the other teams make tactical adjustments, he struggles to respond. And if we don't get an early goal during the first part of the game, our team tends to struggle and look very unconvincing the rest of the game.

I said he's the Muschamp, but he's more like the Butters. He can script it the first few minutes and then falls apart.

Martino put Pizarro on the left side at halftime. Instead of replacing Ream with a more athletic left back or switching Cannon to that side, Gregg left it and it caused the goal.
 

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I know this. You know I know this. They're just numbers that I posted that are recent. I would venture a guess that if the Men's team was actually playing then their numbers would beat the women's. BUT, they couldn't even qualify.

And how much do you think the numbers would drop if the women's team crashed out in the 2nd round? NO ONE would have watched or given a damn. Contrast that with the numbers that still turned into the 2018 WC here in the US, despite us not qualifying.

Which is essentially the point: it's really only the US that cares about women's soccer and it's the US tv market that drives global revenue for the sport. And it's also why the women are trying soooo hard to seize the moment now and grab as much money as they can while the men's team is in a down period. The 2nd they start to become good again: they would crush attendance and tv market share with as much as the demand for soccer in this country has grown. They *barely* compete with the men as-is (despite the worst run of form in multiple decades), the women only beat the men by $1M in revenue this past 4 year cycle, statistically insignificant.

The men's game is completely different, no matter how much the "I am woman, hear me roar crowd" biitch. The global audience and revenue generated is measured in the billions. Because it isn't reliant on the US to support and drive demand.
 

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And how much do you think the numbers would drop if the women's team crashed out in the 2nd round? NO ONE would have watched or given a damn. Contrast that with the numbers that still turned into the 2018 WC here in the US, despite us not qualifying.

Which is essentially the point: it's really only the US that cares about women's soccer and it's the US tv market that drives global revenue for the sport. And it's also why the women are trying soooo hard to seize the moment now and grab as much money as they can while the men's team is in a down period. The 2nd they start to become good again: they would crush attendance and tv market share with as much as the demand for soccer in this country has grown. They *barely* compete with the men as-is (despite the worst run of form in multiple decades), the women only beat the men by $1M in revenue this past 4 year cycle, statistically insignificant.

The men's game is completely different, no matter how much the "I am woman, hear me roar crowd" biitch. The global audience and revenue generated is measured in the billions. Because it isn't reliant on the US to support and drive demand.

We aren't dealing in If's though. We are dealing in realities. The women should never ever beat the men in revenue. Ever. By a dollar or ten dollars or a million dollars. The men should be ashamed.
 

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I said he's the Muschamp, but he's more like the Butters. He can script it the first few minutes and then falls apart.

Martino put Pizarro on the left side at halftime. Instead of replacing Ream with a more athletic left back or switching Cannon to that side, Gregg left it and it caused the goal.

Ha...that is DEAD-ON. Butters would always move the ball on our first drive and struggle the rest of the way.

Ream is a joke--it's sad we keep giving him chances. Hoping the U20 kid (Gloster) gets minutes in Holland this season.
 

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but if you are comparing him to Arena and Jurgen then maybe
i am.

i get it, you dont like him and their play, but the team has been pushing the ball more under him than the other 2 stiffs who i called out specifically. I'm not comparing our play to brazil or france, im comparing it to our play under the last 2 losers, and whether or not its yielded more goals or wins, its still better to watch than what it was.
 

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We aren't dealing in If's though. We are dealing in realities. The women should never ever beat the men in revenue. Ever. By a dollar or ten dollars or a million dollars. The men should be ashamed.

In oddball years, UCF will have a better team than Florida. But over time and historically, we all know who's the better side.

The rest of the world is catching up to the US women's team and it's only a matter of time before they suffer a bad patch (most of their star players are in their mid to late 30s now and Father Time is undefeated). When that happens, interest will collapse. Attendance and revenue will plummet.

Really, the ONLY reason the women beat the men this last revenue cycle was a historical aberration: the US missing the World Cup. It hadn't happened since the 80s and is extremely unlikely to happen again. It took two piss-poor coaches, two straight "down" player cycles, AND a crazy set of circumstances on the final day to keep us out. Not to mention, the women play more games than the US men do (they have to since they typically average less fans).

This next cycle, the US will qualify and with it, get higher revenues from FIFA...and once again, the men will trounce the females in terms of revenue generated.
 

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i am.

i get it, you dont like him and their play, but the team has been pushing the ball more under him than the other 2 stiffs who i called out specifically. I'm not comparing our play to brazil or france, im comparing it to our play under the last 2 losers, and whether or not its yielded more goals or wins, its still better to watch than what it was.

There haven't been many moments of truly inspiring play from the US men's team--with the possible exception of the 2009 Confederations Cup run (and that was mostly bunker and hit on the counterattack rather than anything attacking).

I will say that the first 20 minutes of the US-Jamaica game and first 20 minutes of the US-mexico game have been some of the best I've seen us play. We were completely owning the game and dictating play--generating tons of chances.

But in both games, that form fizzled out and we struggled the rest of the way. It's a disturbing pattern that's been on display for multiple games this year. Whether that's on the players or the coach, I'm not quite sure; but I really fail to see how you're arriving at the conclusions you're making.
 

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I know this. You know I know this. They're just numbers that I posted that are recent. I would venture a guess that if the Men's team was actually playing then their numbers would beat the women's. BUT, they couldn't even qualify.

Not qualifying is not acceptable. But the men have a much tougher road to qualify.
 

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I will say that the first 20 minutes of the US-Jamaica game and first 20 minutes of the US-mexico game have been some of the best I've seen us play. We were completely owning the game and dictating play--generating tons of chances.

I really fail to see how you're arriving at the conclusions you're making.
a simple question, were we doing the things you mentioned while under klinsman or arenas? yes or no...

theres been some improvement, you're intentionally being obtuse and just arguing to argue. ive never said the current schlub is the answer, i just said things are better than the last 2 losers. But you know this, you're just doing what you always do, which is move goal posts and continually rephrase the terms until you arrive at a point that may be somewhat correct.
 

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a simple question, were we doing the things you mentioned while under klinsman or arenas? yes or no...

theres been some improvement, you're intentionally being obtuse and just arguing to argue. ive never said the current schlub is the answer, i just said things are better than the last 2 losers. But you know this, you're just doing what you always do, which is move goal posts and continually rephrase the terms until you arrive at a point that may be somewhat correct.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to get your opinion. You've said we're playing more attacking soccer...but it's a pretty curious statement when the numbers don't really support that (yet, at least).

Both Arena and Klinsmann had examples of where our team dominated start to finish in an impt game--Arena's most noted example was the 4-0 shellacking we gave to Panama in Orlando right before the Trinidad loss--and Klinsmann had occasional glimpses of the same (can't think of any offhand... perhaps the 2-0 WC Qualifying win over mexico in the 2014 cycle?).

Idk whether Berhalter is the answer or not; but you're the one making the claims that we're playing more attacking than we are and ignoring pretty clear evidence that we've struggled to play a complete game vs competent opposition.
 

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but you're the one making the claims that we're playing more attacking than we are and ignoring pretty clear evidence that we've struggled to play a complete game vs competent opposition.
jesus christ you're insufferable. i dont give a damn about numbers, im stating what i see when i watch the television. snuggle up to your numbers if that makes you feel good, im about the eye test. Ive watched the team under klinsman and arenas and rarely ever saw the team push the ball up the field. I see it much more frequently now with the current group - balls forward to zardes and ariola on the run are pretty common now, even if they havent resulted in a bunch of freaking goals. You hardly ever saw the mid or backs doing that. Games mostly consisted of playing defensively, trying to win the possession battle, looking for some space to slowly move forward, and focusing on trying to get a counter. I see a lot more concerted effort to get the ball up the field to the forwards, and aside from bradley who always just stands around, youve got pulisic pushing the action as well.

Finally, how does playing a complete game have anything to do with a style of play? we could lose 40-0 to the virgin islands and it still wouldnt have any bearing on whether we were attacking or purely defensive. has anyone said we are playing complete games now? no one but you has even mentioned it. Again, just making up random and completely irrelevant qualifiers to try and somehow win a stupid debate. We all get it, you hate berhalter. No one really gives a sht. I neither like or dislike him. No one but you seems to give a sht. I'm entitled to my view about the team and the style of play, you can have yours. I dont care and am not interested in changing your mind because... wait for it... i dont give sht. Not sure why you are so invested in my POV.

Since we both know you will never NOT have the last word, please take it. I'm completely done with this pointless and completely irrelevant debate.
 

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jesus christ you're insufferable. i dont give a damn about numbers, im stating what i see when i watch the television. snuggle up to your numbers if that makes you feel good, im about the eye test. Ive watched the team under klinsman and arenas and rarely ever saw the team push the ball up the field. I see it much more frequently now with the current group - balls forward to zardes and ariola on the run are pretty common now, even if they havent resulted in a bunch of freaking goals. You hardly ever saw the mid or backs doing that. Games mostly consisted of playing defensively, trying to win the possession battle, looking for some space to slowly move forward, and focusing on trying to get a counter. I see a lot more concerted effort to get the ball up the field to the forwards, and aside from bradley who always just stands around, youve got pulisic pushing the action as well.

Finally, how does playing a complete game have anything to do with a style of play? we could lose 40-0 to the virgin islands and it still wouldnt have any bearing on whether we were attacking or purely defensive. has anyone said we are playing complete games now? no one but you has even mentioned it. Again, just making up random and completely irrelevant qualifiers to try and somehow win a stupid debate. We all get it, you hate berhalter. No one really gives a sht. I neither like or dislike him. No one but you seems to give a sht. I'm entitled to my view about the team and the style of play, you can have yours. I dont care and am not interested in changing your mind because... wait for it... i dont give sht. Not sure why you are so invested in my POV.

Since we both know you will never NOT have the last word, please take it. I'm completely done with this pointless and completely irrelevant debate.

If the concept of debating sports gets you this mentally unhinged, you shouldn't be on a sports message board.

By any objective metric besides your own worthless "eye test" opinion: the US has still struggled to produce. I won't bother posting the stats or outside commentary--because clearly, those don't matter to you. And not once have I moved the goalposts: my very FIRST response to you was to note that outside of the first 20 minutes, Berhalter's teams have struggled. Our shots go down, our possession goes down, and the other team starts producing more chances. Ie: playing the full 90 minutes and evaluating them as such.

Frankly, I was curious wth you'd even have to say to justify such a stupid opinion and even you can't back it up. You're just stating a completely subjective "eye test" opinion and then getting pissy when someone calls you out on how nonsensical and out of touch with reality it is. Carry on.
 
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Regardless of play style, at least the mens team doesn't have a pos snowflake playing ... that we know about.
 

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Well this thread got real fun on so many levels

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Weird. Instead of congratulating the other women on a job well done we can only find time to denigrate a single player. I dont expect anything less. I've moved on. There's no helping any souls here. Light your crosses...build your walls...smdh
 

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Weird. Instead of congratulating the other women on a job well done we can only find time to denigrate a single player. I dont expect anything less. I've moved on. There's no helping any souls here. Light your crosses...build your walls...smdh

He writes with no sense of irony.
 
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