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Or Leak for Spurrier?

My view is that had Spurrier been rehired in 2005, Leak would have been the Kyle Morris of that coaching change. In fact I suspect that might have contributed to UF not getting Spurrier back.
 

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My view is that had Spurrier been rehired in 2005, Leak would have been the Kyle Morris of that coaching change. In fact I suspect that might have contributed to UF not getting Spurrier back.
Why? KM was an INT machine. Leak was a smart and accurate QB, which is the type of QB that thrives in the Fun n Gun. I don't see where skillset or type of offense would've hindered Leak's success under the HBC.
 

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Why? KM was an INT machine. Leak was a smart and accurate QB, which is the type of QB that thrives in the Fun n Gun. I don't see where skillset or type of offense would've hindered Leak's success under the HBC.

Spurrier never had a QB nearly as good as Leak at SC. The only briefly decent one was the head case Garcia, who promptly imploded.

SOS + Leak would have been interesting and maybe special. But then no Tebow and probably no more NCs.

(Cue @InstiGATOR1 rebuttal in 3...2...1...)
 

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Why? KM was an INT machine. Leak was a smart and accurate QB, which is the type of QB that thrives in the Fun n Gun. I don't see where skillset or type of offense would've hindered Leak's success under the HBC.

In my view:

1. Leak was certainly not a smart nor accurate QB in my view. Smart QBs don't slide short of first downs or throw the ball out of bounds when not pressured etc. Accurate QBs do not throw picks against Miami in a bowl game when trying to throw the ball out of bounds.

2. Leak's "skill" set of throwing the ball away when pressured a tiny bit and completing a high percentage of short often behind the line of scrimmage passes were a complete mismatch with Spurrier's press the defense downfield offense in my view. I can not imagine Spurrier putting up with Leak as his QB for more than about five minutes.

3. I think the evidence that Meyer is the best coach (though not so good for your program long term) in college football is he won big with Leak.
 

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In my view:

3. I think the evidence that Meyer is the best coach (though not so good for your program long term) in college football is he won big with Leak.

I'm not in total disagreement about Leak. Imo, he was one of those players that was actually just as good as a Freshman as he was as a Senior. The offense obviously skewed his final two years, but I still think he was the same in decision making, accuracy, etc. Outside of the TD pass to Baker that started things off in Glendale, his best ever to me was the one to Troupe against fsu in 2003. To me, he peaked that season.

But to your last point, we had recently converted Reggie Lewis and Utah-transfer Ryan Smith as starters at Corner, backed up by the McCollum twins, not to mention KJ and Joiner who were average at best roaming the secondary...and you believe Meyer's winning with Leak to be his biggest accomplishment? :lol:

Take away Nelson, and I'm not sure we've had a more "mehh" secondary since the '80s. Great DL or not, I still marvel at how we didn't give up more passing yards that season.
 

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In my view:

1. Leak was certainly not a smart nor accurate QB in my view. Smart QBs don't slide short of first downs or throw the ball out of bounds when not pressured etc. Accurate QBs do not throw picks against Miami in a bowl game when trying to throw the ball out of bounds.

2. Leak's "skill" set of throwing the ball away when pressured a tiny bit and completing a high percentage of short often behind the line of scrimmage passes were a complete mismatch with Spurrier's press the defense downfield offense in my view. I can not imagine Spurrier putting up with Leak as his QB for more than about five minutes.

3. I think the evidence that Meyer is the best coach (though not so good for your program long term) in college football is he won big with Leak.

Well he wasn’t the best by a long shot but he did throw for over 11,000 yards and 88 touchdowns. Not too many in SEC history has ever done that. So I give him that.
 

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I'm not in total disagreement about Leak. Imo, he was one of those players that was actually just as good as a Freshman as he was as a Senior. The offense obviously skewed his final two years, but I still think he was the same in decision making, accuracy, etc. Outside of the TD pass to Baker that started things off in Glendale, his best ever to me was the one to Troupe against fsu in 2003. To me, he peaked that season.

But to your last point, we had recently converted Reggie Lewis and Utah-transfer Ryan Smith as starters at Corner, backed up by the McCollum twins, not to mention KJ and Joiner who were average at best roaming the secondary...and you believe Meyer's winning with Leak to be his biggest accomplishment? :lol:

Take away Nelson, and I'm not sure we've had a more "mehh" secondary since the '80s. Great DL or not, I still marvel at how we didn't give up more passing yards that season.

Good points but I’d thrown in 3 OC’s in first 3 years held back some development.
 

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In my view:

1. Leak was certainly not a smart nor accurate QB in my view. Smart QBs don't slide short of first downs or throw the ball out of bounds when not pressured etc. Accurate QBs do not throw picks against Miami in a bowl game when trying to throw the ball out of bounds.

2. Leak's "skill" set of throwing the ball away when pressured a tiny bit and completing a high percentage of short often behind the line of scrimmage passes were a complete mismatch with Spurrier's press the defense downfield offense in my view. I can not imagine Spurrier putting up with Leak as his QB for more than about five minutes.

3. I think the evidence that Meyer is the best coach (though not so good for your program long term) in college football is he won big with Leak.

You’re saying a QB coached by the Zooker wouldn’t improve with SOS as HBC/OC/QB coach? Leak was far from perfect, but as Marine mentioned, his stats are pretty good for guy who dealt with Zook and then became a square peg in Meyer’s round O.
 

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You’re saying a QB coached by the Zooker wouldn’t improve with SOS as HBC/OC/QB coach?

Of course not. Nor have I nor anyone else I have seen ever said that Kyle Morris would not have been a better QB under Spurrier than he was under UF's prior coaches though Hall was a pretty good coach.
 

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