RIP our hopes, Law is alive

Captain Sasquatch · Sep 11, 2019

Law's idea of an offense is throw nonstop fade routes. He hated the offense that made the entire SEC its b*tch and won a natty in 2008 because we ran it too much. He'd be happier getting shut out throwing 3 fade routes and punting every drive than scoring 50 by running the ball 40 times and passing it 25.

Gator By Marriage · Sep 11, 2019

Captain Sasquatch said:
Law's idea of an offense is throw nonstop fade routes. He hated the offense that made the entire SEC its b*tch and won a natty in 2008 because we ran it too much. He'd be happier getting shut out throwing 3 fade routes and punting every drive than scoring 50 by running the ball 40 times and passing it 25.

When he was the coach of the Redskins, Hall of Famer Otto Graham allegedly said he's rather lose 35-34 than win 3-0. Wonder if that applies to Swonk, especially if the 34 points were the result of an electric passing attack. (I often thought of that quote when Chimp was the HC, though with the score flipped of course and him choosing a 3-0 loss. In his case though, I always imagined it as 2-0 loss where of course the O or STs would be responsible for giving up the safety.)

GatorJ · Sep 11, 2019

NVGator said:
Who are the other 4?

That’s a closely guarded secret

GatorJ · Sep 11, 2019

Gator By Marriage said:
When he was the coach of the Redskins, Hall of Famer Otto Graham allegedly said he's rather lose 35-34 than win 3-0. Wonder if that applies to Swonk, especially if the 34 points were the result of an electric passing attack. (I often thought of that quote when Chimp was the HC, though with the score flipped of course and him choosing a 3-0 loss. In his case though, I always imagined it as 2-0 loss where of course the O or STs would be responsible for giving up the safety.)

Well of course. Nobody wants to see a 3-0 game.

But our offenses have never been that low scoring under Mullen. The problem is that Franks cannot press the defense with his running ability. And everything in Mullen’s offense is predicated on the QB running the ball. I think he needs to make a couple changes to his play calling by bringing in some shovel passes and sweeps. This will put pressure on the middle of the defense. I think also it will add to the quick strike capability. We do not really have quick strike capability right now.

Our closest candidate to quick strike capability out of the backfield is probably Davis. You would think Toney, but Toney dances too much. You need somebody that just makes one cut and goes upfield. I think Davis fits that mold. But the line needs to block way better.

InstiGATOR1 · Sep 11, 2019

Gator By Marriage said:
When he was the coach of the Redskins, Hall of Famer Otto Graham allegedly said he's rather lose 35-34 than win 3-0. Wonder if that applies to Swonk, especially if the 34 points were the result of an electric passing attack. (I often thought of that quote when Chimp was the HC, though with the score flipped of course and him choosing a 3-0 loss. In his case though, I always imagined it as 2-0 loss where of course the O or STs would be responsible for giving up the safety.)

I doubt that. Swonk right or somewhat wrongly in my view was all in on recruiting. That is not a matter of offense, but rather a matter of wanting to be so good on both sides of the ball that you win big against mediocre competition and are right there with the best of the best opponents.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 11, 2019

oxrageous said:
Law wasn't even particularly happy when we were rolling over teams in 2008. He pretty much hated any offenses post-Spurrier.

You say that as if there's something wrong with that.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 11, 2019

Gator By Marriage said:
When he was the coach of the Redskins, Hall of Famer Otto Graham allegedly said he's rather lose 35-34 than win 3-0. Wonder if that applies to Swonk, especially if the 34 points were the result of an electric passing attack. (I often thought of that quote when Chimp was the HC, though with the score flipped of course and him choosing a 3-0 loss. In his case though, I always imagined it as 2-0 loss where of course the O or STs would be responsible for giving up the safety.)

The only acceptable way to win is 56-7.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 11, 2019

GatorJ said:
Well of course. Nobody wants to see a 3-0 game.

But our offenses have never been that low scoring under Mullen. The problem is that Franks cannot press the defense with his running ability. And everything in Mullen’s offense is predicated on the QB running the ball. I think he needs to make a couple changes to his play calling by bringing in some shovel passes and sweeps. This will put pressure on the middle of the defense. I think also it will add to the quick strike capability. We do not really have quick strike capability right now.

Our closest candidate to quick strike capability out of the backfield is probably Davis. You would think Toney, but Toney dances too much. You need somebody that just makes one cut and goes upfield. I think Davis fits that mold. But the line needs to block way better.

I guess you missed the 2006 regular season. It was painful.

Theologator · Sep 11, 2019

ThreatMatrix said:
I guess you missed the 2006 regular season. It was painful.

2005 was clunky.

2006 was almost 400 ypg on our way to a 13-1 season against the toughest schedule in the nation and a national championship. We could use a lot more of that “painful”.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 11, 2019

Theologator said:
2005 was clunky.

2006 was almost 400 ypg on our way to a 13-1 season against the toughest schedule in the nation and a national championship. We could use a lot more of that “painful”.

Other than the two cupcakes we averaged 23 ppg. Ouch.

Theologator · Sep 11, 2019

soflagator said:
That's also why guys like Brohm and Fedora were always thrown around as his favorites replacement candidates. Anything outside of an all-out passing attack was never going to please him.

Leak under Mullen in 2006 had very equivalent stats to his sophomore year under Fedora. That’s the kind of fact that could not penetrate the Donk.

78 · Sep 11, 2019

ThreatMatrix said:
I guess you missed the 2006 regular season. It was painful.

Parts of it were. That was a team coming into its own and adapting to new talent. Let's be honest. Meyer's special teams were essential to getting us to Atlanta and giving the young offensive talent more experience, which culminated in the shocking coming-out party against Ohio State in Glendale.

As for Law, he's an impatient north-south guy much like the author of the Fun N Gun, the quicker through the air from A to B the better. Hell, we all loved it while it was around, didn't we? I know I did.

But, no, Law never embraced the spread option. The Meyer-Mullen offense was too wishy washy for his taste in spite of the prolific numbers we put up from 2007-2009.

I suspect the blowup of the 2019 recruiting class combined with what I viewed as a so-so effort against Miami provided the telling blows for him.

MJMGator · Sep 11, 2019

ThreatMatrix said:
Other than the two cupcakes we averaged 23 ppg. Ouch.

Yeah, but folks seem to forget we also had the toughest schedule in the country to navigate, as well.

ThreatMatrix · Sep 11, 2019

MJMGator said:
Yeah, but folks seem to forget we also had the toughest schedule in the country to navigate, as well.

No matter. Those 23 point games were hard to watch. Especially not that far removed from SOS.

InstiGATOR1 · Sep 11, 2019

ThreatMatrix said:
You say that as if there's something wrong with that.

Once you have experienced an attacking offense, a chicken offense is hard to stomach.

SeabeeGator · Sep 11, 2019

GatorJ said:
Well of course. Nobody wants to see a 3-0 game.

But our offenses have never been that low scoring under Mullen. The problem is that Franks cannot press the defense with his running ability. And everything in Mullen’s offense is predicated on the QB running the ball. I think he needs to make a couple changes to his play calling by bringing in some shovel passes and sweeps. This will put pressure on the middle of the defense. I think also it will add to the quick strike capability. We do not really have quick strike capability right now.

Our closest candidate to quick strike capability out of the backfield is probably Davis. You would think Toney, but Toney dances too much. You need somebody that just makes one cut and goes upfield. I think Davis fits that mold. But the line needs to block way better.

Copeland maybe? Looked pretty quick and tried to get up field on his opportunity. Might provide that. Rumor has him practicing with RBs some.

AugustaGator · Sep 12, 2019

soflagator said:
This. Knowledgeable poster, but very narrow-minded on how it should get done. To put into perspective how much he hated the Meyer offense, he was one of the biggest pumpers going into the WM era with Weis, Brantley, etc. It just felt right to him that we were transitioning to a more pro-style system. That's also why guys like Brohm and Fedora were always thrown around as his favorites replacement candidates. Anything outside of an all-out passing attack was never going to please him.

Smurfs.

GatorAuthor · Sep 12, 2019

I’m with the Donk on recruiting (as are most people here). I’d be optimistic if we were kicking a$$ on the recruiting trail, even if we weren’t getting the results we wanted on the field for the first couple of DM years. Having mediocre recruiting results with a mediocre offense is a lot to take after the last 10 years we’ve endured, mainly bc it’s hard to see how this all comes together to get us where we want to be.

GatorAuthor · Sep 12, 2019

I wonder how many recent GCMB posters and lurkers are confused by the “Law” reference. In other words, “I see a thread about some Law guy who left, and I haven’t seen anything from SwampDonkey lately either!” Has anyone written the history of GSMB and GCMB with name changes, abbreviations, and other pertinent references? I’m good but can see how it might be a bit opaque to the ever-expanding roster of noobs.

ufgator812 · Sep 12, 2019

GatorAuthor said:
I wonder how many recent GCMB posters and lurkers are confused by the “Law” reference. In other words, “I see a thread about some Law guy who left, and I haven’t seen anything from SwampDonkey lately either!” Has anyone written the history of GSMB and GCMB with name changes, abbreviations, and other pertinent references? I’m good but can see how it might be a bit opaque to the ever-expanding roster of noobs.

That would be interesting....I know a couple of mooks on here changed their names to run away from muskrat love....

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