Recruiting 2020 Recruiting Thread: Gervon Dexter gets 5th Star on Rivals

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Lol what. This is laughably false

Really - you think with not even considering true freshmen who don't see the field that much in real games that you could make an argument that the 2020 roster will be more talented than the 2018 roster he took over? I think once the NFL bound guys are gone after this season it will be worse for sure.
 

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Really - you think with not even considering true freshmen who don't see the field that much in real games that you could make an argument that the 2020 roster will be more talented than the 2018 roster he took over? I think once the NFL bound guys are gone after this season it will be worse for sure.
Holy shyt this is retarded. It’s unarguable the 18 roster was a quitters bunch with barely any blue chip talent. It was glued together with transfers and freshman. To even begin to try to argue we will have even worse of a class/roster than Mac had while also having an insane level of attrition of just blue chippers is truly something else.

To think he will recruit well enough to win national titles is irrelevant to believing we will have a class predominantly made up of low 3 stars and 2 stars while also having blue chippers leave in droves is pure comedy
 

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Same waste of WR talent.

So struggle to get to 20 points he has always had.

Hate UF faltering with the WR careers of athletes who probably will make a name for themselves in the NFL. Love seeing an O&B uniform cutting and weaving through the chasing defenders after a catch of a well thrown missile.
Hate not being allowed to jump up often with cheering multiple TDs. Hate not hearing announcers being forced by our play, forced to admit "these Gators are good!", (which they hate to do).
And, with our smashing start on defensive pass rush with opposing QB-panicking, I want this cranked back up. It is great fun to watch if they'll catch him before he throws? Exciting mysteria ?

I most hate stuffing faith into the prospect that Gator Coach Mullen will be a continuous failure going forward.
As Swonkey likes to say "that harshes my mellow" = harshmellow. So, I'm recommending the choice of avoiding building up our Gators' negative future one game after another through an entire season that we should be enjoying until it truly becomes bad.??

PS >> What we need at Mullen's press conferences is a Jim Acosta to drone away at him on why recruiting deficits are not being remedied? It needs to be made a pressurized worry, at the top. Folks on Gator payroll need to get rolling while realizing they are not helping this team, their employer. All need to apply a measuring stick to themselves, daily. Get us star players or get out !
 

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Really - you think with not even considering true freshmen who don't see the field that much in real games that you could make an argument that the 2020 roster will be more talented than the 2018 roster he took over? I think once the NFL bound guys are gone after this season it will be worse for sure.
Dont need to think, 247 does team talent composite. It only counts the players actually on the team:
2015 College Football Team Talent Composite
2015 15th (finished 10-4)
2016 16th (finished 9-4)
2017 17th (finished 4-7)
2018 12th (finished 10-3)
2019 16th
So... will we have to recruit, or transfer in, one hell of a lot of talent to have a better roster in 2020 than we had in 2018.

The talent composite is finer tuned than simply averaging classes. We are a middle-teen team. If you go back and look at final poll rankings you will see that middle-teen teams average 10 wins. That's who we are. That's who we will always be unless recruiting is improved significantly.
 
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Dont need to think, 247 does team talent composite. It only counts the players actually on the team:
2015 College Football Team Talent Composite
2015 15th
2016 16th
2017 17th
2018 12th
2019 16th
So... will we have to recruit, or transfer in, one hell of a lot of talent to have a better roster in 2020 than we had in 2018.

The talent composite is finer tuned than simply averaging classes. We are a middle teen team. I fyou go back and look at final pool rankings you will see that middle teen teams average 10 wins. That's who we are. That's who we will always be unless recruiting is improved significantly.

Yep and the class re-done with who actually made it to camp and including transfers dropped us from 9th to 17th I think was for the 2019 class.
 

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Honestly I think arguing about Mullen's coaching acumen is moot. If he doesn't recruit better he hit his limit last year. To improve as a team immediately we need to recruit a generational player, prolly two. Tebow and Harvin types. Other wise it will be a slow process: at best the season after two Top 5ish recruiting classes.
We may beat Georgia while we wait. But all that gives us is a win over Georgia. We will have had to have beaten other more talented teams on our schedule (and not lose a stupid game) to get to Atlanta. And then hope that bama doesn't bring it's A game. I don't see a chance of that for 3-4 seasons.
Mullen will prolly be around for a while. A smattering of 8-9-10 win seasons, beating FSU, will secure his job.
 

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Holy shyt this is retarded. It’s unarguable the 18 roster was a quitters bunch with barely any blue chip talent. It was glued together with transfers and freshman. To even begin to try to argue we will have even worse of a class/roster than Mac had while also having an insane level of attrition of just blue chippers is truly something else.

To think he will recruit well enough to win national titles is irrelevant to believing we will have a class predominantly made up of low 3 stars and 2 stars while also having blue chippers leave in droves is pure comedy

Maybe tomorrow I will list the players with what we will have next year minus the likely NFL losses. We have already dropped 4 places in talent composite like shown due to all the non-qualifiers and the rest.
 

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33-39 isnt competitive.
33-39 isn’t his record. Its 39-42. I know it sucks some life out of your braying but there’s a possibility its 0.500 after the season is over. And as easy as it is for you to dismiss his MSU time, consider that almost every West team he played had significantly more talent on hand. Don’t mistake this as making excuses - I can’t stand Knox, English, or recruiting - but this is one of your oft cited arguments that have little appreciation for context.
 

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I guess we know where SD went after we beat scUM ... obviously he was recovering from his lobotomy. How many is that so far?
 

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Maybe tomorrow I will list the players with what we will have next year minus the likely NFL losses. We have already dropped 4 places in talent composite like shown due to all the non-qualifiers and the rest.
The 2016 class was 12th. It drops off and gets replaced with the 2020 class. So the 2020 class has to be so much better than 12th to bring the team composite up from 16th (this year) to better than 12th (2018). Just between you and me Slevin lost this argument.
 

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The 2016 class was 12th. It drops off and gets replaced with the 2020 class. So the 2020 class has to be so much better than 12th to bring the team composite up from 16th (this year) to better than 12th (2018). Just between you and me Slevin lost this argument.
The talent composite was 17th in 2017 and moved to 12 just with the transition class. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Blue chip percentage is currently at 53% with all attrition accounted for with 38 4 stars and 1 five star in the composite and an .89 grade which is ding ding a bonafide blue chip percentage.

Butters 2017 team had a whopping 51 3 stars/2 stars on the roster and a paltry 28 four stars/5 stars. His 2016 team with that lovely class you just mentioned gave the entire roster a boner inducing 24 blue chippers and 50 3 stars or below.

With Mullen single transition class and attrition, we went to 35 blue chips to 43 non blue chips.

With a transition class and a full class which you rag on consistently we sit at 39 blue chippers and 35 non blue chippers.

There seems to be a trend but I just... can’t... put.. my finger


Oh no wait it’s the blue chip percentage increasing. That’s what it is.


Edit add on: Clemson’s current talent composit is .8944 and Florida’s is .8910 and Clemson has the benefit of 6 more five stars. To even try to argue that Florida has gotten worse is ridiculous
 
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Clemson’s current talent composit is .8944 and Florida’s is .8910 and Clemson has 6 more five stars
not to mention great coaches, lots of wins, and a bunch of conference and national championships.

In all seriousness tho, even if the argument is won squarely by you all this really shows is that all these recruiting stats and metrics leave out something significant bc the gap between the gators and clemson is stratospheric.
 
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