Recruiting 2020 Recruiting Thread: Gervon Dexter gets 5th Star on Rivals

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Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Of course, some of us have been trying to tell you guys that for years.
negative ghostrider, you use the fact that there is more to winning than just recruiting as an excuse for poor recruiting, as if its simply not the recruiting that really matters. that is not accurate or valid at all. it is absolutely the recruiting that matters, combined with a couple other things as well.

nice try tho, old man.
 

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This I know. Recruiting will improve. Eventually. If not by Mullen, then by the next guy. I'm sure Mullen wants to keep his job. I hope he does what he needs to to make that happen. I kinda like the guy now. Wasn't happy with the hire initially as I've said many times already. He's made me a believer in his ability to change the loser culture and develop players though. He needs the studs to compete regularly with the UGA, LSU, and Bama's out there. We'll see.

I don't think his staff is that good at recruiting but he is handicapped also for another year or so due to what Foley pulled. Reading that Georgia article and remembering Foley's mess about not getting into an arms race really ticks a lot of people off. Mullen and Butters both were handicapped some by his decisions there.
 

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The trend is crap right now if you ever want to compete for the SEC. His make it to camp class even with transfers was only 17th this past year and looks to be in the teens again this coming class unless he has a bunch of non-qualifiers/California dreamers to artificially inflate the numbers again.

He started 12th his first season with talent composite and in one year already we have dropped to 16th due to about a 17th ranked class in reality. He also isnt pulling in too many big names and getting them to camp. Maybe Elam and Hopper are the only ones from the last class that all the big programs were really after big time that actually are here.
Not accurate. His transition class which was filled predominantly by him bumped Macs roster that he left from 17th to 12th. Mac had nothing to do with that. His class before firing was terrible. 16th now due in large part for not having a full roster. Adding the 3 blue chips we lost puts Florida above 12th which is what we were last year. It’s a player or two away from being top 10. It’s a massive exaggeration to think there’s a big difference from 16th to 8th. There’s not. And it will take time to flip Macs roster.
 

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Not accurate. His transition class which was filled predominantly by him bumped Macs roster that he left from 17th to 12th. Mac had nothing to do with that. His class before firing was terrible. 16th now due in large part for not having a full roster. Adding the 3 blue chips we lost puts Florida above 12th which is what we were last year. It’s a player or two away from being top 10. It’s a massive exaggeration to think there’s a big difference from 16th to 8th. There’s not. And it will take time to flip Macs roster.

You are just making excuses for him. He had substandard classes in 2018 and 2019 especially when his trick of signing anyone with issues didn't work out in 2019. He also only got a very few number of players the top recruiting schools were really after hard in reality those 2 classes.

It is so bad right now he will probably struggle to even beat out Willy and Miami who are having all kinds of issues now. Foley is part of this issue but he will not be here long term if he doesn't get it corrected.
 

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You are just making excuses for him. He had substandard classes in 2018 and 2019 especially when his trick of signing anyone with issues didn't work out in 2019. He also only got a very few number of players the top recruiting schools were really after hard in reality those 2 classes.

It is so bad right now he will probably struggle to even beat out Willy and Miami who are having all kinds of issues now. Foley is part of this issue but he will not be here long term if he doesn't get it corrected.
Dude the numbers are there. If you want to deny them by all means. The blue chip percentage is there for you to look at so please do. It’s been nothing but on the rise.
 

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Dude the numbers are there. If you want to deny them by all means. The blue chip percentage is there for you to look at so please do. It’s been nothing but on the rise.

I just looked at the 2018 class and I highly doubt that class is even close to Butters last class on players that become pretty good. Who will end up being top players from that class next season? Maybe Dean and possibly Copeland and a sleeper. I am going to look at the likely roster next season minus incoming true freshman and the 2018 roster minus true freshman and compare them. My guess off the top of my head is Mullen's 1st two classes wont look better than the 2018 guys he inherited.
 

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Lol aaaaaaaand the goal posts are moved again.

Definitely don’t compare it to a two time national champion who has blown out Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Alabama in the playoffs. God forbid.

So we’re comparing it to Miami? 19 years removed from a national champion? FSU? 6 years removed? Or sec teams? LSU? 12 years removed. Georgia? 40 years removed. Texas am? 100 years removed. How about the rest of the country above us: usc, Texas, Penn State, Michigan, auburn? Those teams are just running circles around our little program huh matrix.

Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, all have 85 man rosters and are just a fraction of points ahead of Florida in the composite who only has 78 players. For Florida to be a fraction away with way less 5 stars and overall players means there’s good Beef in the middle of the roster while other teams have greater fluctuation at the top end but also at the bottom.


Yeah so these programs sure as hell are setting the standard for national championships + recruiting standards aren’t they. It most certainly wouldn’t be the team that won one only a couple hundred days ago.

We absolutely need to get better at recruiting but you are wrong when saying we are getting worse and will be worse than Quiverlips 2018 roster. You clearly pulled that straight out of your ass

You are one confused little man.
 

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Says the guy who went from won’t win 8 games or beat talented teams to wont win 11 and won’t sign top 5 classes. Keep moving those goal posts man
You have me confused with Law.
I don't know if we will ever sign any top 5 classes. Certainly not unless something changes.
I got good news for you though. It looks like we only have four 4* seniors. So next year should see quite a jump in aggregate blue chippers. We could only be 10th.
We're # 10, we're #10!
 

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You have me confused with Law.
I don't know if we will ever sign any top 5 classes. Certainly not unless something changes.
I got good news for you though. It looks like we only have four 4* seniors. So next year should see quite a jump in aggregate blue chippers. We could only be 10th.
We're # 10, we're #10!

Can’t lose 4 stars if you don’t have any

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negative ghostrider, you use the fact that there is more to winning than just recruiting as an excuse for poor recruiting, as if its simply not the recruiting that really matters. that is not accurate or valid at all. it is absolutely the recruiting that matters, combined with a couple other things as well.

nice try tho, old man.
Wrong. I said before CDM was on the job, that he wasn't a good recruiter. Dumpers always exaggerate and misrepresent, just as you are doing here. Waiting for someone more optimistic than my post above to say so. Anyone yet?
 

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I just looked at the 2018 class and I highly doubt that class is even close to Butters last class on players that become pretty good. Who will end up being top players from that class next season? Maybe Dean and possibly Copeland and a sleeper. I am going to look at the likely roster next season minus incoming true freshman and the 2018 roster minus true freshman and compare them. My guess off the top of my head is Mullen's 1st two classes wont look better than the 2018 guys he inherited.
The top of your head is useful for a cap. Quit guessing and look at the numbers.
 
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Made a quick look but didn't go too in depth but these are many of the players that Mullen inherited for his 2018 team.

Defense:
Henderson
Zuniga
Polite
Wilson
Gardner
Joseph
Campbell
Stewart

Offense:

J. Taylor and overall O line
K. Toney
Cleveland
Hammond

I am trying to think how the 2020 defense will compare to that with all the NFL departures coming. Elam and Dean will be good but who else will stand out from the 2018 and 2019 recruiting classes? Burney looked kind of lost at LB to me in the very limited time he has been on the field.

As far as offense he didn't inherit much but we will have a worse run blocking O line in 2020 than 2018 unless they really improve. Who will be the Mullen recruit that really breaks out on offense in 2020 - Copeland maybe? I don't see any big jump coming in offense in 2020 unless Jones is the real deal which he may be when he becomes the starter.
 
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Dear lord, the amount of continuous bitching about the exact same topic with no real information is mind boggling. If any of you have had the role of turning around a unit, team or company you know the difference between the last 2 and Mullen. I swear you can just randomly go back 20 pages and the same arguments are there.
 

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I don't think his staff is that good at recruiting but he is handicapped also for another year or so due to what Foley pulled. Reading that Georgia article and remembering Foley's mess about not getting into an arms race really ticks a lot of people off. Mullen and Butters both were handicapped some by his decisions there.

I think this is a fair post, and very much accurately sums it up. Outside of maybe one or two, we don't have very good recruiters, which is a problem. But we also didn't do ourselves any favors from the top down, beginning as far back as the Meyer era. So it's a tough gauge of which is the largest factor. But neither are ideal.

But part of the frustration with Mullen is the fact that we relied on guys like Stiner and Lenton last year and are a very average overall roster. But who's fault is that? Certainly not Mullen's. He can only fix so much and change things so much, so quickly. So while I'll gladly chime in on his and his coaches' roles in it all, the reality is, if we're honest, we'd all be a lot less pissed right now if we hadn't seen 2010-2017. That's the bind we find ourselves in. We want instant improvement, but it's probably not in the cards, regardless of who the coach is. And yes, we allowed place like Alabama, uga and Clemson to become behemoths while we focused on stretching and non-revenue producing sports. But no one, literally no one, hired in November 2017 was going to stop those trains in their tracks. So other than hope that he makes some critical changes, what do we do? My opinion. Hold the coaches accountable, look for positives, and try to be patient. I'm not sure what else can be done.
 

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Can any of you recruiting guys find out any info on Keonte Coffie from Oviedo HS? He's a RB averaging over 1500 yards/year since starting as a sophomore. I watched him last Friday run for 415 yards in a game breaking the school and county record. He was Central Florida player of the Year last year. I can't find any recruiting information on him at all. I type in his name in the search bar at recruiting sites and nothing comes up. Surely someone is looking at him.
 
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I think this is a fair post, and very much accurately sums it up. Outside of maybe one or two, we don't have very good recruiters, which is a problem. But we also didn't do ourselves any favors from the top down, beginning as far back as the Meyer era. So it's a tough gauge of which is the largest factor. But neither are ideal.

But part of the frustration with Mullen is the fact that we relied on guys like Stiner and Lenton last year and are a very average overall roster. But who's fault is that? Certainly not Mullen's. He can only fix so much and change things so much, so quickly. So while I'll gladly chime in on his and his coaches' roles in it all, the reality is, if we're honest, we'd all be a lot less pissed right now if we hadn't seen 2010-2017. That's the bind we find ourselves in. We want instant improvement, but it's probably not in the cards, regardless of who the coach is. And yes, we allowed place like Alabama, uga and Clemson to become behemoths while we focused on stretching and non-revenue producing sports. But no one, literally no one, hired in November 2017 was going to stop those trains in their tracks. So other than hope that he makes some critical changes, what do we do? My opinion. Hold the coaches accountable, look for positives, and try to be patient. I'm not sure what else can be done.

We have to hope the 2021 class being shown the facilities they are about to have helps land more top recruits.
 

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Dear lord, the amount of continuous *****ing about the exact same topic with no real information is mind boggling. If any of you have had the role of turning around a unit, team or company you know the difference between the last 2 and Mullen. I swear you can just randomly go back 20 pages and the same arguments are there.

What is the difference between Mullen and Butters their first seasons? Getting pounded in the Swamp 2 times last season and coming in 3rd in the East instead of winning it? :D
 
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