Are our Gators any good? The season is finally about to start

lizardbreath · Oct 3, 2019

lagator said:
No doubt, they are a good team with very good athletes so it will be a challenge. And we have our issues for sure.

Their strength on D is the defensive line, particularly run defense and causing fumbles. And very true that our running game has been anemic, although a little better in the 4th Q so maybe our revamped S&C is paying off? So it looks like strength vs weakness, right? Maybe not. Hopefully Mullen doesn't go Chimp-ball and demand to bang our head against the wall repeatedly by insisting on inside runs 2 out of 3 downs in the first half. Odds are we aren't going to beat them trying to out muscle them hat on hat in the run, game but that's not our strength against anyone.

Our strength is Trask finding the open man quickly and getting him the ball past their dominant D-line taking away their strength (DL) and exploiting ours (WR/TE). When we do run, hopefully it's mostly outside to make those big dudes run sideline to sideline. Hopefully some jet sweeps, reverses, and an option pitch or 2, etc.

And yes, we have given up a lot of yards on the ground, and this will be the best running attack we have faced. But our defense will be full strength and it has already been pretty good keeping folks out of the endzone and causing TO's so again, maybe not as much of a strength vs weakness as it appears from first glance.

I'd love to see our offense score first possession and have the D cause an early TO to get the swamp in a frenzy from the get-go and take full advantage of home field advantage. If we can grab momentum from the start that's going to be big.

In the end, who the hell knows what's going to happen, but I like our chances.

Primo post.

GatorAuthor · Oct 3, 2019

lagator said:
How many times have we punted this year? I'll give you a hint, it's almost certainly a record low through 5 games. We've had our struggles but 3 and outs haven't been one of them. Hell, we had to give Townsend a rushing carry just to justify his scholarship.

Of course this is the best defense we've faced so who knows, but up to this point, I would say worrying about 3 and outs is really looking hard for something to be nervous about.

Tommy Townsend Stats, News, Bio | ESPN

Oh yeah?!? Well ... those are pretty good points. In light of this, mine probably were not.

lagator · Oct 3, 2019

GatorAuthor said:
Oh yeah?!? Well ... those are pretty good points. In light of this, mine probably were not.

Season's early. We might wear out Townsends leg still, especially against a very good D. But you do have to be impressed with 7 punts in 5 games and that's after 3 punts against Miami. We have literally punted 1 time per game 4 games in a row. I sure hope that continues, and not because we have 3 fumbles and 2 INT's (Doh!)

G8trwood · Oct 3, 2019

Time to GatR done

lizardbreath · Oct 3, 2019

UFHealthGator said:
We should smack Chump in the face. As far as Aub/ LSU/ UGA, I think we should pull one out of those three games. Losing all three would be a big disappointment. If I had to pick, I would pick us beating UGA and losing to LSU and Auburn.

We are at a juncture in the future path of UF FB. I believe we have a rare opportunity to flip the script on the narrative of negativity that began after spring practice and continues to this day. Between the upbeat ending last year, and the lambasting we've taken from the sports media and the various activists with an ax to grind ever since, it really does feel like we're under siege.

A solid win over AU would wipe the smirks off a number of faces at espn, and their partners in irksome mediocrity at the sec network. More importantly, it would make LSU and the dwags feel some pressure and could open a lot of eyes to positive things happening in G'ville. I think 3-1 sets the table for lots of good stuff, 2-2 with no beatdowns wouldn't be a crusher. But if we beat AU, a season to remember is there for the taking. Most important of all, the effect that a win here has on how recruits view us can go a long way in eventually changing that narrative as well.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 3, 2019

lagator said:
How many times have we punted this year? I'll give you a hint, it's almost certainly a record low through 5 games.

A record low..... compared to Butters.

That aint sayin a lot.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 3, 2019

SCColaGator said:
Reminds me a lot of 2006.
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Stoned isnt enough.

Our 2006 scout team was a top 3 team in the SEC.

Gator-Don · Oct 3, 2019

GatorAuthor said:
Our ability to sustain drives is a big concern, bc three-and-outs are killers. They make it tough to establish any rhythm on Off and they gas the Def.

I think not getting our opponents off the field on 3rd down is what is screwing us up.

ThreatMatrix · Oct 3, 2019

Jack o' Diamonds said:
But, did they say uptempo?

Donk just racking up his wrongness. Like the Oline that was going to be better than last years. Trash who'd never see a meaningful snap. Mullens sideways only offense. And now never mind that they went up tempo v Towson - even the announcers mentioned it. But three times in the HBO special Mullen is heard telling the staff to go up tempo.

BadowGator · Oct 3, 2019

lagator said:
Season's early. We might wear out Townsends leg still, especially against a very good D. But you do have to be impressed with 7 punts in 5 games and that's after 3 punts against Miami. We have literally punted 1 time per game 4 games in a row. I sure hope that continues, and not because we have 3 fumbles and 2 INT's (Doh!)

More should read or recognize this. Don’t care who we’ve played. In the past, punting was a VERY common occurrence. Awesome stat. Thanks.

rogdochar · Oct 3, 2019

lagator said:
won a close one at aTm where they weren't very effective in the passing or running game, but did enough and waited for Jimbo to do what Jimbo do.

Thank you lagator! All I have heard is like Auburn has an unstoppable running game. Now can our hyper-blitz D not get suckered into
over-pursuit? If aTm's D-line can trouble Auburn's run attack, why can't we?

To dream about this game, I want our individual standouts to manhandle their opposition to the degree that it derails Auburn's attack. I pray Gators take command right off, so I can calm down.

lagator · Oct 3, 2019

rogdochar said:
Thank you lagator! All I have heard is like Auburn has an unstoppable running game. Now can our hyper-blitz D not get suckered into
over-pursuit? If aTm's D-line can trouble Auburn's run attack, why can't we?

To dream about this game, I want our individual standouts to manhandle their opposition to the degree that it derails Auburn's attack. I pray Gators take command right off, so I can calm down.

Yeah, aTm held Whitlow to 67 yards and only 3.7 average and Nix only had 38 yards on 12 caries so it can be done.

I haven't been this fired up for a game in a long time. Trask and these receivers have really gone a long way toward putting the fun back in Gator Football. It's been a long time since we've had reason to be excited about the offense.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 3, 2019

rogdochar said:
Thank you lagator! All I have heard is like Auburn has an unstoppable running game. Now can our hyper-blitz D not get suckered into
over-pursuit? If aTm's D-line can trouble Auburn's run attack, why can't we?

Over pursuit isnt the problem. Getting punched in the face and knocked on your ass is.

ATM's D LIne:

DE Johnson 6-4 250 DT Madubuke 6-3 304 NT Bobby Brown 6-3 325 DE Clemons 6-5 270

We have 246, 275, 304, 275, 265 up front (Zu, Campbell, Shuler, Greenard). Missing that huge plug in the middle taking up two blockers is the real killer. Some of our lineups (Often Moon 228, Carter 246 at DT, Ancrum 263, and either Zu or Greenard) are much much smaller. (ATM's 2s are 265, 290, 290, 290) source: Demarvin Leal | Texas A&M | Scouting Report

ATMS LBs are 226 228 226
Ours 239 222 and 194 (in nickel 95ish % of the plays)

It's just a decision we make to be small at every position. We play a Big 12 or CUSA defense I guess because Grantham thinks there are a lot of passing teams in the SEC requiring us to keep three nickels and only pass rushers on the field.

Will Grantham come out in a 3-4 this week? I seriously doubt it. I fully expect Trey on the field.

If I were Barn, I would attack both ends or force the Star in the box and run at him.

LagoonGator68 · Oct 3, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
Over pursuit isnt the problem. Getting punched in the face and knocked on your ass is.

ATM's D LIne:

DE Johnson 6-4 250 DT Madubuke 6-3 304 NT Bobby Brown 6-3 325 DE Clemons 6-5 270

We have 246, 275, 304, 275, 265 up front (Zu, Campbell, Shuler, Greenard). Missing that huge plug in the middle taking up two blockers is the real killer. Some of our lineups (Often Moon 228, Carter 246 at DT, Ancrum 263, and either Zu or Greenard) are much much smaller. (ATM's 2s are 265, 290, 290, 290) source: Demarvin Leal | Texas A&M | Scouting Report

ATMS LBs are 226 228 226
Ours 239 222 and 194 (in nickel 95ish % of the plays)

It's just a decision we make to be small at every position. We play a Big 12 or CUSA defense I guess because Grantham thinks there are a lot of passing teams in the SEC requiring us to keep three nickels and only pass rushers on the field.

Will Grantham come out in a 3-4 this week? I seriously doubt it. I fully expect Trey on the field.

If I were Barn, I would attack both ends or force the Star in the box and run at him.

Smoking mirrors won’t fix blocking and tackling like little girls

rogdochar · Oct 3, 2019

Okeechobee Joe said:
A famous example of an another athlete who had a severe anxiety disorder was the baseball player, Jimmy Piersall, centerfielder for the Cleveland Indians. There was a movie based on his story, "Fear Strikes Out" that had Tony Perkins playing Piersall.

Piersall had a high IQ, but his disorder pushed him into seeing things differently. Upon hitting his 100th HR, he decided to run the bases backwards- counter clockwise. I think the umpire called him out. Then he stood there showing the umpire that the ball left the park, he touched every base, so the direction makes no difference he argued. Think about it.??

Marijuana contains a medicine, as do many jungle weeds extracts.The DEA could open a broad lane for conscientious MDs to get certified to try all the tested combinations of pot's psychotropic elements and let their patient-symptoms progress diary be the valid research. Now that would be that "awful thing" - using human guinea-pigs .... but a hugely significant population are already taking "human guinea-pig" status across the nation. About THC one can get empirical with little harm with lots of help.

LSD was ruined for research in that the DEA made it too much of a hassle for even bone fide research MDs to do trials.
GHB was campaigned against as a killer drug until Big Pharma made it Rx Xyrem -- but that was sensible so a DR. & patient could do controlled dosing.

There's an antibiotic, very old in use, $40/bottle. Then Psychiatrists noticed that their patients had best gains in talk-sessions when they were taking this antibiotic. Once the industry found that Psychiatrists were prescribing it just for their sessions, they raised the price to $200/bottle.
You know = desperate suffering patients.

lagator · Oct 3, 2019

rogdochar said:
Piersall had a high IQ, but his disorder pushed him into seeing things differently. Upon hitting his 100th HR, he decided to run the bases backwards- counter clockwise. I think the umpire called him out. Then he stood there showing the umpire that the ball left the park, he touched every base, so the direction makes no difference he argued. Think about it.??

Marijuana contains a medicine, as do many jungle weeds extracts.The DEA could open a broad lane for conscientious MDs to get certified to try all the tested combinations of pot's psychotropic elements and let their patient-symptoms progress diary be the valid research. Now that would be that "awful thing" - using human guinea-pigs .... but a hugely significant population are already taking "human guinea-pig" status across the nation. About THC one can get empirical with little harm with lots of help.

LSD was ruined for research in that the DEA made it too much of a hassle for even bone fide research MDs to do trials.
GHB was campaigned against as a killer drug until Big Pharma made it Rx Xyrem -- but that was sensible so a DR. & patient could do controlled dosing.

There's an antibiotic, very old in use, $40/bottle. Then Psychiatrists noticed that their patients had best gains in talk-sessions when they were taking this antibiotic. Once the industry found that Psychiatrists were prescribing it just for their sessions, they raised the price to $200/bottle.
You know = desperate suffering patients.

I don't think you are stoned but it seemed an appropriate rating of the post.

Oscar the G · Oct 3, 2019

lizardbreath said:
We are at a juncture in the future path of UF FB. I believe we have a rare opportunity to flip the script on the narrative of negativity that began after spring practice and continues to this day. Between the upbeat ending last year, and the lambasting we've taken from the sports media and the various activists with an ax to grind ever since, it really does feel like we're under siege.

A solid win over AU would wipe the smirks off a number of faces at espn, and their partners in irksome mediocrity at the sec network. More importantly, it would make LSU and the dwags feel some pressure and could open a lot of eyes to positive things happening in G'ville. I think 3-1 sets the table for lots of good stuff, 2-2 with no beatdowns wouldn't be a crusher. But if we beat AU, a season to remember is there for the taking. Most important of all, the effect that a win here has on how recruits view us can go a long way in eventually changing that narrative as well.

do you really think the media is against us? Cmon. We have more Gator fans against us than the media.

We haven't had a difficult schedule and we haven't looked good. The media shouldn't be singing our praises, just acknowledging we are taking care of business.

Sec14Gator · Oct 3, 2019

ThreatMatrix said:
And now never mind that they went up tempo v Towson - even the announcers mentioned it. But three times in the HBO special Mullen is heard telling the staff to go up tempo.

So does Mullen not want to run tempo and suck as a coach because we are at nearly the bottom of the country in pace.

Or, does Mullen just not run an up tempo offense, because he otherwise seems capable of coaching?

Regarding the HBO show, I think he was pushing practice tempo - to get in more reps, not game tempo.

LagoonGator68 · Oct 4, 2019

rogdochar said:
Piersall had a high IQ, but his disorder pushed him into seeing things differently. Upon hitting his 100th HR, he decided to run the bases backwards- counter clockwise. I think the umpire called him out. Then he stood there showing the umpire that the ball left the park, he touched every base, so the direction makes no difference he argued. Think about it.??

Marijuana contains a medicine, as do many jungle weeds extracts.The DEA could open a broad lane for conscientious MDs to get certified to try all the tested combinations of pot's psychotropic elements and let their patient-symptoms progress diary be the valid research. Now that would be that "awful thing" - using human guinea-pigs .... but a hugely significant population are already taking "human guinea-pig" status across the nation. About THC one can get empirical with little harm with lots of help.

LSD was ruined for research in that the DEA made it too much of a hassle for even bone fide research MDs to do trials.
GHB was campaigned against as a killer drug until Big Pharma made it Rx Xyrem -- but that was sensible so a DR. & patient could do controlled dosing.

There's an antibiotic, very old in use, $40/bottle. Then Psychiatrists noticed that their patients had best gains in talk-sessions when they were taking this antibiotic. Once the industry found that Psychiatrists were prescribing it just for their sessions, they raised the price to $200/bottle.
You know = desperate suffering patients.

Methinks you are double blind to proper scientific studies....

rogdochar · Oct 4, 2019

LagoonGator68 said:
Methinks you are double blind to proper scientific studies....

Not at all. I know the proper scientific safety routes. I tried, though poorly, to touch on the frontiers of discoveries. When LSD was being improperly studied by the military as a potential "truth drug", legitimate scientific studies were progressing such that those scientists published papers saying LSD may help patients with mental problems recover. Of course they were advocating psychiatrists administering the drug ln lightest dosages for doctor guided sessions. Same thing with opioids. They were theorized to treat disorders other than pain, as relates to their euphoric effects to various levels in various subjects. So yes I'm talking about the frontier of discovery of uses for various drugs. Experimental trials on various animals.This must go on way before any concern will promote it to the expense of double blind studies on humans that prove the claims worthy of heavy investments, of safe side effects, and of desired effectiveness.

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