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But we have money. We just don’t spend it wisely. Besides, I’m not sure how giving up a home game, in addition to already losing one in Jax, nets us that much.

As for recruiting, we’re in Florida. Every time we go out west to get some recruit, it’s a disaster. They either turn out to be busts, get homesick and transfer or get in trouble.

Plus, I can’t imagine we’re making any in-roads in the LDS dominated Utah market. Not sure if you’re aware, but all those huge Samoan lineman aren’t actually from there.
This isn’t about recruiting outside of Florida or Hawaii to get the Samoans (although we’ve had a few that worked out well). It’s abput the travel and getting the in-State kids who want to explore the world. Plus, a H&H w/ Oregon will bring in more revenue that having Idaho at home.
 

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This sounds like they already have UF - Clemson scheduled but are playing twitter games before announcing it.

that’s what I thought but it’s a big deal to get the challenge out there and see who really wants to play
 

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My first pick would be Nebraska, but that's strictly because those ass holes made me cry myself to sleep that night in 6th grade.
 

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This sounds like they already have UF - Clemson scheduled but are playing twitter games before announcing it.

That's an interesting take. I read elsewhere that Clemson doesn't have an opening in their schedule until the 2037/38 seasons and UF has openings 26 & 27.
 

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This isn’t about recruiting outside of Florida or Hawaii to get the Samoans (although we’ve had a few that worked out well). It’s abput the travel and getting the in-State kids who want to explore the world. Plus, a H&H w/ Oregon will bring in more revenue that having Idaho at home.

To your first part, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that had always been the rationale. That playing games elsewhere gets us exposure in that part of the world. I've even heard uga fans defend the cocktail party lcoation because of the footprint it's created for them in Jax. So that was the basis of my thinking. Again, maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think we've ever had trouble recruiting when we were a legit championship contender, regardless of schedule. Nor have I ever heard a recruit use that as a signature reason for choosing XYZ school. Kids are lining up to play for Saban/Dabo to win titles and join a pipeline to the league, not because they'll play at Penn State one time, 3 years from now. And I'm certain if a kid had to choose between going to Oregon for a meaningless scrimmage, or Pasadena to play for it all, they'd choose the latter.

On the last part, I don't have the numbers, so I can't say definitively you're right or wrong. But it would seem to me that giving up an entire game would be tough to make up with one big contest the following year. But to take it a step further, still looking at it solely from a monetary angle, what if a loss to Oregon in week 1, coupled with a road loss to Lsu midyear, prevented us from going to the playoff? How much revenue and exposure would that cost us? As I said, I don't have the data, but will fall back to my original point. We're needlessly adding hurdles to our already difficult schedule.

Ftr, I'm fine with kicking FCS schools, and certainly two in one year. But I'll maintain that "cupcakes", whether for working out preseason rust, getting second team reps, or allowing a few Sr walk-on's get to play in front of their parents on Sr day, still have their place. Paid professionals have 4 scrimmages and several crossover camps to get ready before bullets start flying. I think it's reasonable to afford amateurs one or two themselves.
 

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I'm largely cool with whatever they go with. I'm pumped to have upcoming home and homes with Utah, Colorado, and Texas; but also don't want to make an already difficult season tougher than it needs to be. We get LSU EVERY year on the schedule as a perennial top 10 team; and in most years, the clowns are top 25 too. I hope they stay down forever, but history tells us that's unlikely. Who knows how long georgia stays a top 5 team, but they're usually top 15 year after year...so putting teams like Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and ND on the table seems a bit unnecessary to me.

I'm more than fine with knocking off the FCS schools in favor of putting teams like UNC, Virginia, Boston College, Minnesota, Kansas, Indiana, etc. on the schedule. Teams like Arizona or Oregon State wouldn't be bad either: respectable schools, but winnable games.
 

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I previously believed that SEC teams don't need to do this, but with us struggling to recruit after a spending decade in the toilet, I have changed my mind. I'd like to see us add Clemson because they are a nearby powerhouse. I would also like to see us add Texas and/or USC because of the national exposure those games would provide.
 

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I previously believed that SEC teams don't need to do this, but with us struggling to recruit after a spending decade in the toilet, I have changed my mind. I'd like to see us add Clemson because they are a nearby powerhouse. I would also like to see us add Texas and/or USC because of the national exposure those games would provide.

I can agree with that in theory, as I thought that was the reason that has always been used. But if the last year has taught us anything it's that while there may be certain other factors involved, like facilities, relationship with high schools, and national perception, the fact is, you're either great at recruiting or you're not. We get several great recruiters on this staff and we'll be fine, regardless of schedule. At the same time, we could add Usc, Clemson and the Packers to our schedule and sadly, guys like Knox and English will still be who they are.
 

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I see no reason to change anything. In fact, move UT back to the 3rd game of the season. Every season. And schedule two cupcakes for games 1 and 2.

Absolutely no reason to make a difficult schedule absolutely ridiculous. The winner of the SECCG will always make it into the playoffs. Lets concentrate on that.

The point is soon you won't have to win the SEC to make the playoffs. With an 8 team expansion, we will regularly see 2-3 SEC teams in the playoffs.
 

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I can agree with that in theory, as I thought that was the reason that has always been used. But if the last year has taught us anything it's that while there may be certain other factors involved, like facilities, relationship with high schools, and national perception, the fact is, you're either great at recruiting or you're not. We get several great recruiters on this staff and we'll be fine, regardless of schedule. At the same time, we could add Usc, Clemson and the Packers to our schedule and sadly, guys like Knox and English will still be who they are.


I agree that our coaches need to improve on the recruiting trail, or we need to improve our coaches. However, a program with the persona of 'we'll play anyone, anywhere' could only help us, as well. I think too many people are worried about the risks of a loss. I want to focus on the benefits of a huge win against another powerhouse team on the national stage. If it is a hard-fought loss, with a close score at the beginning of the year, we should be able to recover. However, if we get blown out by them, we probably shouldn't be in the national title discussion to begin with.

Maybe I'm just getting carried away because our program is finally showing signs of life after a decade in the morgue. This is a much more enjoyable discussion after sitting around wondering if we will ever be relevant again.
 

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The point is soon you won't have to win the SEC to make the playoffs. With an 8 team expansion, we will regularly see 2-3 SEC teams in the playoffs.

To me, that's garbage. Way too many teams. I loved our 2018 season for all the unexpected success, but we had no business being anywhere near a playoff. And neither did 2-loss Michigan, 2-loss Washington, or G5 Ucf.
 

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I agree that our coaches need to improve on the recruiting trail, or we need to improve our coaches. However, a program with the persona of 'we'll play anyone, anywhere' could only help us, as well. I think too many people are worried about the risks of a loss. I want to focus on the benefits of a huge win against another powerhouse team on the national stage. If it is a hard-fought loss, with a close score at the beginning of the year, we should be able to recover. However, if we get blown out by them, we probably shouldn't be in the national title discussion to begin with.

Maybe I'm just getting carried away because our program is finally showing signs of life after a decade in the morgue. This is a much more enjoyable discussion after sitting around wondering if we will ever be relevant again.

I don't disagree that it looks great to get a big win. I'm just not sure we need to roll those dice with our current slate. Look at the preseason perception of our schedule this year. Most considered it easy. But I think the 4 game stretch we're on(even including a scrappy Usce team) is as tough as any you'll see in college football this year. You just never know what to expect from teams like Lsu, Aub, uga, or even ut and fsu who won't be patsies forever.

If in fact it goes to 8 teams, then so be it, because 2 losses wouldn't kill your chances(still hate that idea, ftr). But as it is, a close loss in week 1 or 2, combined with a close loss to a team like Lsu would probably derail a national title bid. I just think in retrospect, we'd all be really frustrated at the decision, simply because it's entirely self-inflicted.
 

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To your first part, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that had always been the rationale. That playing games elsewhere gets us exposure in that part of the world. I've even heard uga fans defend the cocktail party lcoation because of the footprint it's created for them in Jax. So that was the basis of my thinking. Again, maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think we've ever had trouble recruiting when we were a legit championship contender, regardless of schedule. Nor have I ever heard a recruit use that as a signature reason for choosing XYZ school. Kids are lining up to play for Saban/Dabo to win titles and join a pipeline to the league, not because they'll play at Penn State one time, 3 years from now. And I'm certain if a kid had to choose between going to Oregon for a meaningless scrimmage, or Pasadena to play for it all, they'd choose the latter.

On the last part, I don't have the numbers, so I can't say definitively you're right or wrong. But it would seem to me that giving up an entire game would be tough to make up with one big contest the following year. But to take it a step further, still looking at it solely from a monetary angle, what if a loss to Oregon in week 1, coupled with a road loss to Lsu midyear, prevented us from going to the playoff? How much revenue and exposure would that cost us? As I said, I don't have the data, but will fall back to my original point. We're needlessly adding hurdles to our already difficult schedule.

Ftr, I'm fine with kicking FCS schools, and certainly two in one year. But I'll maintain that "cupcakes", whether for working out preseason rust, getting second team reps, or allowing a few Sr walk-on's get to play in front of their parents on Sr day, still have their place. Paid professionals have 4 scrimmages and several crossover camps to get ready before bullets start flying. I think it's reasonable to afford amateurs one or two themselves.
I see it going to an 8 team playoff system and losing those 2 games you mentioned won’t matter.
 

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I see it going to an 8 team playoff system and losing those 2 games you mentioned won’t matter.

You and UFHealth are probably right.

I just personally hope you aren't.

And if that's the case, I don't know why we couldn't wait until it officially does.
 

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