Mullen: We’re 7 points from being the team he wants us to be

Theologator · Nov 4, 2019

We're about 7 players from where I want us to be - 5 quality OL and 2 quality DL, all over 320lbs, all able to move.

That was the difference. Our OL hasn't developed to the level needed. The OL gets pushed around by top DLs. Likewise, we need 2 more big DL who can get push. I'm not suggesting we need more/better elsewhere (like safety and star) but those are the glaring needs.

I don't expect Mullen to say that publicly with games yet to play. We should get to 10 regular season wins and maybe a bowl, all of which helps build momentum for teh program.

Durty South Swamp · Nov 4, 2019

Theologator said:
We're about 7 players from where I want us to be - 5 quality OL and 2 quality DL, all over 320lbs, all able to move.

That was the difference. Our OL hasn't developed to the level needed. The OL gets pushed around by top DLs. Likewise, we need 2 more big DL who can get push. I'm not suggesting we need more/better elsewhere (like safety and star) but those are the glaring needs.

I don't expect Mullen to say that publicly with games yet to play. We should get to 10 regular season wins and maybe a bowl, all of which helps build momentum for teh program.

Linebackers and secondary are awful, and that includes hendo and Wilson.

gatorkev85 · Nov 12, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
I'm a die hard Gator fan but if one of my sons turned out to be a Qb or Wr and held an offer to UF I wouldn't let them ruin there career and play for Mullen.

I've gotten 3 face palms on this post yet if you look at the facts Mullen was at Miss St 9 years and only has 1 Qb and 1 Wr in the league right now. So to the 3 people who disagree with my post explain to me why you would let your son go and play for Mullen if said son played Qb or Wr.

9 years and only 1 Qb and 1 Wr. Bare minimum he probably coached 40+ Wrs and probably at least 10 QBs and only managed to put 1 Qb amd 1 Wr. That's terrible odds. He did put in several TE's in the league though so if my son was a TE I'd allow him to be coached by Mullen.

UFHealthGator · Nov 12, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
I've gotten 3 face palms on this post yet if you look at the facts Mullen was at Miss St 9 years and only has 1 Qb and 1 Wr in the league right now. So to the 3 people who disagree with my post explain to me why you would let your son go and play for Mullen if said son played Qb or Wr.

9 years and only 1 Qb and 1 Wr. Bare minimum he probably coached 40+ Wrs and probably at least 10 QBs and only managed to put 1 Qb amd 1 Wr. That's terrible odds. He did put in several TE's in the league though so if my son was a TE I'd allow him to be coached by Mullen.

How much better is Dan Mullen at developing players than his peers? - Read and Reaction

gatorkev85 · Nov 12, 2019

UFHealthGator said:
How much better is Dan Mullen at developing players than his peers? - Read and Reaction

I didnt say he doesn't develop players I said if my son were a Qb or Wr I wouldn't let him play for Mullen. Facts are fact he only has 1 Qb (Dak) and 1 Wr ( Fred Brown) in the league. I guess you could go back and possibly find a few gators that played Wr for him that's still in the league but while at Miss St he only put those numbers in the league.

Again I'm not saying Mullen doesn't develop talent he just dont seem to produce those positions (Qb and Wr) so I wouldn't send my son to him if he played those positions.

oxrageous · Nov 12, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
I didnt say he doesn't develop players I said if my son were a Qb or Wr I wouldn't let him play for Mullen. Facts are fact he only has 1 Qb (Dak) and 1 Wr ( Fred Brown) in the league. I guess you could go back and possibly find a few gators that played Wr for him that's still in the league but while at Miss St he only put those numbers in the league.

Again I'm not saying Mullen doesn't develop talent he just dont seem to produce those positions (Qb and Wr) so I wouldn't send my son to him if he played those positions.

I don't think you could produce a son, kev. No offense.

SeabeeGator · Nov 12, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
I didnt say he doesn't develop players I said if my son were a Qb or Wr I wouldn't let him play for Mullen. Facts are fact he only has 1 Qb (Dak) and 1 Wr ( Fred Brown) in the league. I guess you could go back and possibly find a few gators that played Wr for him that's still in the league but while at Miss St he only put those numbers in the league.

Again I'm not saying Mullen doesn't develop talent he just dont seem to produce those positions (Qb and Wr) so I wouldn't send my son to him if he played those positions.

We don’t get to count his UF time? I’m sure he was more involved with actual development as the OC with no HC requirements.

ThreatMatrix · Nov 12, 2019

Theologator said:
We're about 7 players from where I want us to be - 5 quality OL and 2 quality DL, all over 320lbs, all able to move.

That was the difference. Our OL hasn't developed to the level needed. The OL gets pushed around by top DLs. Likewise, we need 2 more big DL who can get push. I'm not suggesting we need more/better elsewhere (like safety and star) but those are the glaring needs.

I don't expect Mullen to say that publicly with games yet to play. We should get to 10 regular season wins and maybe a bowl, all of which helps build momentum for teh program.

Crootin'
Bottom line it's about the players. UGAy's 4 and 5* offense was looking across the line at a defense that averaged 3.2 stars. Not much different on the other side of the ball.

soflagator · Nov 12, 2019

SeabeeGator said:
We don’t get to count his UF time? I’m sure he was more involved with actual development as the OC with no HC requirements.

Of course not. It’s about the extreme drop off in offensive Miss St players in the NFL over the last decade. At one point when I was growing up, you couldn’t throw a rock at a sidelines without hitting some Starkville product. The whole league was littered with them. Kiper used to just set up shop on campus and at least three AFC teams toyed with the idea of changing their colors to maroon and white.

Then, of course...Dan Mullen arrived.

gatorkev85 · Nov 12, 2019

oxrageous said:
I don't think you could produce a son, kev. No offense.

Got 2 boys right now bro, 11 month old twins!

gatorkev85 · Nov 12, 2019

SeabeeGator said:
We don’t get to count his UF time? I’m sure he was more involved with actual development as the OC with no HC requirements.

I didn't say we couldn't count his UF time. I didn't want to do the research on the fly. I know of a few that went to the league but how much of that was the level of talent that was brought in by Meyer? He had 9 years at Miss St that's a pretty good gauge, and we seen what he did with it. 1 Qb and 1 Wr.

It's not a bash on Mullen at all I'm not trying to bash him in any way. I just think he don't have the type of Wr that the NFL is looking for. His Wr do a lot of blocking because it's a sideways offense and his Qb are forced to run the ball way to much so I wouldn't want my son taking unnecessary hits. I think Mullen is great at teaching mechanics I just wouldn't want my son taking 300 hits in college when I could send him to play for someone else that develops well and he only takes 100 hits. CTE is already changing the game why take more hits.

rogdochar · Nov 12, 2019

So far, Mullen is showing that UF is his dream job, and as such he'd want Gainesville to be his last stop. Thus, I believe Mullen will develop a mullenstyle that is better than his MSU mullenstyle? Look, EJ is more Mullen's type QB, yet DM prefers Trask at some risk that EJ might transfer.

Thank goodness that Trask is as good as he is, for he just might be altering Mullen's mindset to the better yards gained with a pro set passing attack - just find a bash-through RB to go with Trask next year (much better OL implied) Next year, that combo could be our own Pierce + Trask? Surely, Mullen is seeing the high success of LSU, Bama, UGa not using a run-bashing QB? Besides,Trask-style is more in keeping with our UF traditional QB type.

gatorkev85 · Nov 12, 2019

rogdochar said:
So far, Mullen is showing that UF is his dream job, and as such he'd want Gainesville to be his last stop. Thus, I believe Mullen will develop a mullenstyle that is better than his MSU mullenstyle? Look, EJ is more Mullen's type QB, yet DM prefers Trask at some risk that EJ might transfer.

Thank goodness that Trask is as good as he is, for he just might be altering Mullen's mindset to the better yards gained with a pro set passing attack - just find a bash-through RB to go with Trask next year (much better OL implied) Next year, that combo could be Pierce + Trask? Surely, Mullen is seeing the high success of LSU, Bama, UGa not using a run-bashing QB? Besides,Trask-style is more in keeping with our UF traditional QB type.

I would love to see Mullen transition into a mixture of pro/spread. I dont mind the Qb running the ball some but 5 times a game seem like enough to keep the defense honest but Dak had years at Miss St where he ran the ball 160 times or more. He had 17 games in his college career that he ran 15 times or more. That's just to much imo. I'd love to see Mullen run the same offense as right now with EJ or AR. Let them drop back and run If they had to but only have 5-6 designed runs.

He rushed the ball 26 times his Sr year against Alabama. Tell me right now if your son was a Qb and had a scholarship to play for UF you'd be ok with him taking that many shots in one game. 8 games he had 20 or more carries in a game. I'd never let my son be put through that as a Qb in college.

rogdochar · Nov 13, 2019

Right kev. Concentrate on best O-linemen + best WRs & especially TEs + best QB. Bring in as close to some Percy Harvin-type or Toney-type. And stick with having faith in it as the most productive offense. Force it down opposing DCs' throats. Make it UF's style. Just respect what all 3 of our NC teams did via passing attacks...... an NC using that no-run ever QB Chris Leak.??

SeabeeGator · Nov 13, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
I didn't say we couldn't count his UF time. I didn't want to do the research on the fly. I know of a few that went to the league but how much of that was the level of talent that was brought in by Meyer? He had 9 years at Miss St that's a pretty good gauge, and we seen what he did with it. 1 Qb and 1 Wr.

It's not a bash on Mullen at all I'm not trying to bash him in any way. I just think he don't have the type of Wr that the NFL is looking for. His Wr do a lot of blocking because it's a sideways offense and his Qb are forced to run the ball way to much so I wouldn't want my son taking unnecessary hits. I think Mullen is great at teaching mechanics I just wouldn't want my son taking 300 hits in college when I could send him to play for someone else that develops well and he only takes 100 hits. CTE is already changing the game why take more hits.

List of Mississippi State Bulldogs in the NFL Draft - Wikipedia

Not a lot of WRs or QBs on that list, for sure. But check that list of MSU players drafted prior to Mullen - its not like its been a hot bed of WR/QB talent. You have to go back to 96 with Eric Moulds to find a WR drafted and 84 with Jon Bond to find a QB. Point being - there’s definitely some concern that he couldn’t get those two positions to the league at MSU but its not outside their historic norm. I’d be much more alarmed if they were pumping out talent and it suddenly dried out after his arrival.

For reference:

List of Florida Gators in the NFL Draft - Wikipedia

Wasn’t here long enough to really establish who was his but you could argue that players he developed 05-07 and recruited 07-09, maybe 10, got to the league. I dunno, your mileage may very depending on who you give credit to. He certainly didn’t harm their chances - was right in line or exceeded historical norms.

itsgr82bag8r · Nov 13, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
I've gotten 3 face palms on this post yet if you look at the facts Mullen was at Miss St 9 years and only has 1 Qb and 1 Wr in the league right now. So to the 3 people who disagree with my post explain to me why you would let your son go and play for Mullen if said son played Qb or Wr.

9 years and only 1 Qb and 1 Wr. Bare minimum he probably coached 40+ Wrs and probably at least 10 QBs and only managed to put 1 Qb amd 1 Wr. That's terrible odds. He did put in several TE's in the league though so if my son was a TE I'd allow him to be coached by Mullen.

All you've said here is that you shouldn't let your kid play at MSU.

itsgr82bag8r · Nov 13, 2019

soflagator said:
Of course not. It’s about the extreme drop off in offensive Miss St players in the NFL over the last decade. At one point when I was growing up, you couldn’t throw a rock at a sidelines without hitting some Starkville product. The whole league was littered with them. Kiper used to just set up shop on campus and at least three AFC teams toyed with the idea of changing their colors to maroon and white.

Then, of course...Dan Mullen arrived.

Yep, as soon as that m-fkr arrived on campus all they did was start winning more games than they had in over 50 years. The gall of Mullen. That SOB just fked the place all up. :facepalm:

gatorkev85 · Nov 13, 2019

itsgr82bag8r said:
All you've said here is that you shouldn't let your kid play at MSU.

If that's what you got out of it then sure. You can twist it whatever way makes you sleep better at night.

oxrageous · Nov 13, 2019

gatorkev85 said:
Got 2 boys right now bro, 11 month old twins!

My statement stands and speaks for itself. As Reagan said, "Trust but verify."

soflagator · Nov 13, 2019

oxrageous said:
My statement stands and speaks for itself. As Reagan said, "Trust but verify."

Dude, not cool. They’re his. And they’re NOT playing for Dan Mullen.

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