Recruiting - 83.7% of the time it works every time

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I was referring to his time at UF.
And he got fired. Bad coaches who don't win the games they should get weeded out.
Gary Pinkle, Chump (at Florida), Butters, Mark Richt, Hugh Freeze got fired for not winning games they should.
 

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And he got fired. Bad coaches who don't win the games they should get weeded out.
Gary Pinkle, Chump (at Florida), Butters, Mark Richt, Hugh Freeze got fired for not winning games they should.
I thought Hugh Freeze got fired for hanging with prositutes, whores
 

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There's nothing to skew. It's simply the results of games. The fcking evidence is in the OP.

I read the OP. I also read the title, “Crootin’ - the only thing that matters”. Given the small sample size, you can’t arrive at that conclusion given that there is a correlation between quality of coaching and recruiting rankings.

There is also a correlation between recruiting and success trends (recruiting/coaching/W-L record in the years prior to those of the recruiting classes currently enrolled, etc), This small is just not enough "fcking evidence" to draw the conclusion that "crootin' is the ONLY thing that matters". Give me a 20 year study, so that we can begin to normalize the impact of coaching, regime changes, etc. into the consideration, and maybe you'll arrive at a similar conclusion as that of the Chemical Engineer moonlighting as a sports writer and analyst that threw that together on his lunch break from his real job. He's a UF alum, so I know he knows better than to draw absolute conclusions from a small statistical sample.

Look, I fully agree that recruiting is the most important thing, but player development (coaching) game planning (coaching), and game-day decisions (coaching), along with some player intangibles (i.e., Tim Tebow's leadership and drive) also play a really big factor and can overcome some of the disparities in the quality of recruits between two given teams.
 
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And he got fired. Bad coaches who don't win the games they should get weeded out.
Gary Pinkle, Chump (at Florida), Butters, Mark Richt, Hugh Freeze got fired for not winning games they should.
I agree with the original post. The jimmys and the joes are what matters most. It takes 3-4 years to build a quality depth chart, whereas a new coach can be hired in a few weeks.

I would rather have a mediocre game day head coach/staff but excellent recruiters than excellent game day coaches and mediocre recruiters.

Which is why I'm not very high on Mullen and his staff.
 

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I read the OP. I also read the title, “Crootin’ - the only thing that matters”. Given the small sample size, you can’t arrive at that conclusion given that there is a correlation between quality of coaching and recruiting rankings.

There is also a correlation between recruiting and success trends (recruiting/coaching/W-L record in the years prior to those of the recruiting classes currently enrolled, etc), Doing a "study" of 2/3 of a season's games is just not enough "fcking evidence" to draw the conclusion that "crootin' is the ONLY thing that matters". Give me a 20 year study, or even 10, so that we can begin to normalize the impact of coaching, regime changes, etc. into the consideration, and maybe you'll arrive at a similar conclusion as that of the Chemical Engineer moonlighting as a sports writer and analyst that threw that together on his lunch break from his real job. He's a UF alum, so I know he knows better than to draw absolute conclusions from such a small statistical sample.
Picking the fly **** out of the pepper.
'Crootin' matters. A bunch.

You can argue sample size, independant variables vs dependent and all the other stat crap ... but stars matter, depth of stars matter, and both matter in winning percentage.

The Xs and Os matter too, but really only in games with equal Jimmys and Joes.

Generally speaking.

The beauty of college ball, is any given Saturday will blow up ANY statistical model.

Which is why I'm counting on the leghumpers to lose their next 2 SEC games.
 

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I’ll save everyone some time:

Person A: it’s the jimmy and joes, not x’s and o’s

Person B: it’s player development and a good scheme that matters more.

:catfight:(Page 1).
:catfight: (Page 2)
:catfight: (Page 3)

Consensus: you can’t win without player development and a good scheme, but it’s critical to recruit well, because you can’t coach or scheme talent.(page 4)
You left out the catfight continuing from pages 4 through 397.
 

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If that were true, Bama would only win 8 out of every 10 games...... that's pretty close.
 

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Seems to me...Richt recruited pretty well @ ugaaa. only won 1 SEC. Not a very good game manager imho. Saban wins consistently for recruiting, game prep, assistants who know what they're doing, and a very consistent and rabid fan base. They spend big $ on facilities and anything Alabama football. The culture in Tuscaloosa is a lot more solid toward their team than the backbiting that goes on here in Gator Nation. I like Dan Mullen, but I really don't think he will bring an SEC championship to Gainesville; too many conflicting philosophies about how to improve the process, not enough focus on what really matters, i.e recruiting, proper game prep, competent assistant coaches who are committed to winning, etc. etc. But what the hell do I know??..
 

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Seems to me...Richt recruited pretty well @ ugaaa. only won 1 SEC. Not a very good game manager imho. Saban wins consistently for recruiting, game prep, assistants who know what they're doing, and a very consistent and rabid fan base. They spend big $ on facilities and anything Alabama football. The culture in Tuscaloosa is a lot more solid toward their team than the backbiting that goes on here in Gator Nation. I like Dan Mullen, but I really don't think he will bring an SEC championship to Gainesville; too many conflicting philosophies about how to improve the process, not enough focus on what really matters, i.e recruiting, proper game prep, competent assistant coaches who are committed to winning, etc. etc. But what the hell do I know??..

Not to split hairs, but Richt won the SEC title twice.
 

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