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What stats? Check FO and get back to me.
Schiano to coach Rutgers after all
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Ancient Reptile
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And we know from Threat that there are only two kinds of coaches, good coaches and fired coaches.
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Don’t be stupid. You quoted a record. So did I. That’s not a straw man. It’s a successful coach rebuilding his second program. On the other hand, your buddy Moorhead is currently driving the other program in the ditch. You don’t want to go to FO because you know what you’ll find. You should get some help - these issues have lingered too long.
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I made a correction a few posts after my initial post about the salary, that is completely fair and essentially is the going rate. However, he's lost his mind asking for Ohio State money for the assistants. All "New Jersey" jokes aside, there are plenty of people who love living there and there are plenty of coaches who would jump at a P5 assistant job. The 8 year contract is out of whack, so is the buyout - especially in this day and age of schools getting burned by the buyout. Asking for facilities, within reason, is very fair also. Again, the biggest issue is the 8 year contract, the buyout, and the assistant salary pool. IMO, a 6 year deal is fair, $6 million for assistants, and a more reasonable buyout. Rutgers is the Vandy of the B10, paying this kind of money for 6 or 7 wins is foolish. They'd be better off going after a successful G5 coach or 1AA coach.
The NJ papers are reporting that negotiations w/ Schiano may be back on, btw.
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I knew you didn’t want to go to the actual stats because of how silly it makes you look so here you go:
2014
OFEI – MSU: 18 UF: 106
DFEI – MSU: 16 UF: 5
F+ - MSU: 13 UF: 32
2015
OFEI – MSU: 16 UF: 85
DFEI – MSU: 31 UF: 17
F+ - MSU: 16 UF: 27
2016
OFEI – MSU: 39 UF: 97
DFEI – MSU: 91 UF: 8
F+ - MSU: 63 UF: 16
2017
OFEI – MSU: 40 UF: 104
DFEI – MSU: 10 UF: 50
F+ - MSU: 16 UF: 85
2018
OFEI – MSU: 32UF: 22
DFEI – MSU: 1 UF: 22
F+ - MSU: 12 UF: 11
2019
OFEI – MSU: 37 UF: 39
DFEI – MSU: 67 UF: 13
F+ - MSU: 47 UF: 15
What do you see when looking honestly? I see a very bad - outlier - year in 16 but otherwise a flipped script. UF has improved and MSU has not. Maybe 2019 is an outlier for Moorhead but he definitely walked into a good situation and has not improved it. Mullen did not and he’s improved UF.
One thing I think we can both agree on: the offense may not be great but the Chump and Mac years were a train wreck. Look at those OFEI numbers!!! Lol comically bad.
2014
OFEI – MSU: 18 UF: 106
DFEI – MSU: 16 UF: 5
F+ - MSU: 13 UF: 32
2015
OFEI – MSU: 16 UF: 85
DFEI – MSU: 31 UF: 17
F+ - MSU: 16 UF: 27
2016
OFEI – MSU: 39 UF: 97
DFEI – MSU: 91 UF: 8
F+ - MSU: 63 UF: 16
2017
OFEI – MSU: 40 UF: 104
DFEI – MSU: 10 UF: 50
F+ - MSU: 16 UF: 85
2018
OFEI – MSU: 32UF: 22
DFEI – MSU: 1 UF: 22
F+ - MSU: 12 UF: 11
2019
OFEI – MSU: 37 UF: 39
DFEI – MSU: 67 UF: 13
F+ - MSU: 47 UF: 15
What do you see when looking honestly? I see a very bad - outlier - year in 16 but otherwise a flipped script. UF has improved and MSU has not. Maybe 2019 is an outlier for Moorhead but he definitely walked into a good situation and has not improved it. Mullen did not and he’s improved UF.
One thing I think we can both agree on: the offense may not be great but the Chump and Mac years were a train wreck. Look at those OFEI numbers!!! Lol comically bad.
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2016 was the Sirmon experiment. He was canned after one season because they had an awful defense. But a bad year to be sure. Moorhead likely matches it this season without the APR bowl birth.
But you sure are quick to dismiss the two years before, year after, and success here (5 out of the last 6 seasons). You say I’m deflecting but I’m actually providing nuance to the discussion. You don’t like it because it makes you look like what you are - a dude who knows football but can’t see by his bias. You want Moorhead to be good so bad just to prove you’re right about Mullen but nothing backs up your argument. You won’t comment on those stats - even though they’re from a site we both like better due to the better picture they paint - because you know you’re wrong and they prove it.
But you sure are quick to dismiss the two years before, year after, and success here (5 out of the last 6 seasons). You say I’m deflecting but I’m actually providing nuance to the discussion. You don’t like it because it makes you look like what you are - a dude who knows football but can’t see by his bias. You want Moorhead to be good so bad just to prove you’re right about Mullen but nothing backs up your argument. You won’t comment on those stats - even though they’re from a site we both like better due to the better picture they paint - because you know you’re wrong and they prove it.
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They were a 7 win team in 2014. 4 wins was the year that Skyler Morningweg was required to hold more than a clipboard in 2013. 2015 also featured an elite defense, something 2018 didn’t afford.
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Would Joe Moorhead leave MSU for Rutgers? Schiano & Rutgers can't come to terms
Speaking of Rutgers, Sports Illustrated had a long article about their program last week. How they were the first college football team (correct me if Im wrong and know you will) and now almost the worst.
Speaking of Rutgers, Sports Illustrated had a long article about their program last week. How they were the first college football team (correct me if Im wrong and know you will) and now almost the worst.
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I heard that story, too. I recall hearing somewhere (probably bspn) about meeeshegan-nd being the first college football game? Or maybe they were just considered the first rivalry? Makes me wonder if the Rutgers story is accurate. Not that it keeps me up at night, because they're irrelevant.
Anyway, let them celebrate their history. They live in NJ. Not much to celebrate there...
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If Moorehead doesn't beat Ole Miss tonight, he may never have a body of work to compare to anyone.
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No one will ever give you straight answer to this question. They don’t want to commit to someone and later look foolish when that guy falls on his face. Better to be vague......
Edit: And their feelings get hurt apparently when you call them out on it (or at least one in particular).
