Game Reset: Re-ranking the top 5 coaches

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there's some truth to that too but we've seen it before with Fat Fulmer and Less Miles. Eventually if you have stock rosters long enough you might get very lucky.

Yeah, it’s great when it happens. How many more lightning strikes in the illustrious career of Ed Orgeron?
 

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Yeah, it’s great when it happens. How many more lightning strikes in the illustrious career of Ed Orgeron?
More than Mullinz.
 

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I really do. But we will know when the recruiting momentum changed.

Yeah, I know. We’ve had an uptick over the past month, but we’re still way behind on the truly elite athletes.
 

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An unsolicited tip, Seabee. Starting your reply with “you’re so dense” is a tad outside the Dale Carnegie playbook. Beware the feedback. :lol:

Well what the fcvk did Dale Carnegie know? The guy was a useless idiot and a charlatan. Oh, and his books suck!
 

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I asked some questions....none of the Mullen detractors answered. Tells me a lot. Not likely any on their lists would have won championships with UF the past 2 seasons.

So we’re left with DM didn’t win championships at MS while Urban, Saban and Dabo won them at elite programs. Apples to oranges.

Those are your 3 elite championship coaches. They drop bags that DM does not have. Apples to oranges.

Jimbo, Mack, Miles are far from elite but caught lightning in a bottle once each. Ogre might do so this year. This board would have had an implosion of epic proportions if we had hired any of those 4. That’s how “elite” they are. Nobody else would have done any better than Mullen has over these 2 seasons.

Some very knowledgeable posters here. Guys who break down schemes and track recruiting closely. Guys with their ear to the ground with some good intel occasionally.

But some with not an ounce of common sense.

Dan Mullen was so far down my list for the job that he was the only coach I specifically, by name, stated I did not want hired. I’m not a real emotional guy but I erupted in my car when I heard the report. But I can’t sit here and state he has not done a great job while rebuilding our brand.

Top 5? I don’t know. He’s doing great so far.
 

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I asked some questions....none of the Mullen detractors answered. Tells me a lot. Not likely any on their lists would have won championships with UF the past 2 seasons.

So we’re left with DM didn’t win championships at MS while Urban, Saban and Dabo won them at elite programs. Apples to oranges.

Those are your 3 elite championship coaches. They drop bags that DM does not have. Apples to oranges.

Jimbo, Mack, Miles are far from elite but caught lightning in a bottle once each. Ogre might do so this year. This board would have had an implosion of epic proportions if we had hired any of those 4. That’s how “elite” they are. Nobody else would have done any better than Mullen has over these 2 seasons.

Some very knowledgeable posters here. Guys who break down schemes and track recruiting closely. Guys with their ear to the ground with some good intel occasionally.

But some with not an ounce of common sense.

Dan Mullen was so far down my list for the job that he was the only coach I specifically, by name, stated I did not want hired. I’m not a real emotional guy but I erupted in my car when I heard the report. But I can’t sit here and state he has not done a great job while rebuilding our brand.

Top 5? I don’t know. He’s doing great so far.

He’s done tremendous work to restore credibility. You’ll likely get zero argument from anyone on this board. It’s that next step that has people concerned. It’s naturally tied to recruiting. He’s getting decent athletes but not the top tier.

Add to that his offense is quarterback-centric in ways that recruiting sometimes can’t solve and you have the overall picture.
 

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I get it. Our guys want Saban, Debo or Urban. Nobody else meets their criteria.

We’re not getting them nor would they come.

Next champs are Mack, Miles, Jimbo and Ogre. We don’t want any of them and only Miles would consider it if we did. They’re out.

So we are left chasing some other unproven coaches who has never won a natty. We would Have found something wrong with every single one of them by now because none would have done any better than Mullen in the first 2 years.

If we can finish in top 6 recruiting this year we should take another step forward.
 

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I am not going to try and change anyone's mind. And I don;t care about records, rings, championships, etc in determining coaching rankings, but I find it hard to believe that anyone who watches a reasonable amount of football can in any way consider Cousin Eddie a Top 5/10ish Coach. Just watch the games and see how disjointed and poorly managed they are. I cite our most recent game against the :nole::nole:. We were penalized before the first play from scrimmage after the opening kickoff for a delay of game penalty. How the fook is it possible to get a delay of game penalty coming out of a dead ball situation? Well I will tell you b/c we were penalized for the exact same penalty in the 2nd half after the :nole::nole: kicked off after a score! Getting a delay of game penalty once in a season coming out of a dead ball situation is inexcusable. having it happen TWICE in the same game is criminal and that alone eliminates anyone from the great coach discussion, regardless of the outcome of the game.

Now that you have pointed this out I say we fire Mullen immediately and go pick off one the coaches left in the current field right now because....well, because we're UF dammit!

Seriously this is the dumbest post I've seen in a while regarding causality and linking it to coaching ability and that's saying a lot at this point....
 

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Wow, lot's of red faced posting here on whether or not Mullen is a top 5 coach. Well, let's consider for a moment who was in the running when he was hired: Scott Frost, Chip Kelly, and Dan Mullen. I really wanted Scott Frost. I was 100% for him. But when we didn't get him I had bad vibes about Chip Kelly the same way I did with Muschamp. I didn't know how I felt about Mullen when we landed him. I'm pretty happy with him so far considering where our program was after Muschamp and McElwain literally blew our program up. Do I give a damn about whether or not he makes some damn list as a top five coach after two years? Seriously? I will say this- my expectations are for him to beat UGA, FSU, and all our west division opponents in the same season. We are talking about the SEC here. When he does that he'll be competing for SEC championships and CFP's. Then we can mention him in the same breath as SOS and UM. His two plus 10+ win seasons have allowed me to be patient for now. next two years should tell the tale.
 

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Which of these coaches listed if hired instead of Mullen would have won a championship last year? This year? That’s your fvvcking list.

Win the bowl game and we’re 21-5 with 2 NY6 bowl wins, top 6 finishes and what might be a top 5 recruiting class. The margin for improvement over that is minuscule.

Completely disagree with the bold. You think getting to the top is LESS hard than what he's done already? Bullspit and you know it. The next steps are the hardest. Your claim of slim margin is beating UGA and then beating Bama/LSU in the title game and then winning 2 games against top 4 teams. You think that margin is miniscule? Seriously. You hit your head or something? You hit the bottle?

Your posts are you being a giant prick. That's probably why no one responded.

I am a Dan Mullen fan and support him. He'll get at least 4 years. He has returned us to some respectability and deserves credit for doing so. I see zero reason to try to put him into some fake top 5 that means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 

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Love seeing @Marine1 bringing some fire. Need a few guys who will push back on idiotic narratives. I think 78 perfectly describes the insanity:

No one would argue that he hasn’t done a job so far considering what he inherited. But people are super pissed about their projections of an unknown future based on reading tea leaves.

We were told by these same people that Mullen can’t adjust to his athletes. False. Now the story is shifting to his offense won’t work well in the future. Ok?

We were told he can’t recruit at all. Took some chances and got burned last year. Those guys celebrated (looks not so bad now that two are likely back in the fold). Now he’s top 6 with potential to stay or move up. False. So argument now changes to he isn’t elite enough. Ok?

Not even touching on hindsight experts like FF who apparently know game management better than Lombardi or Saban. At what point do people just admit that they weren’t happy with the hire and that’s still influencing their opinion? Trajectory isn’t perfectly straight line up but it’s generally headed that way.
 

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Completely disagree with the bold. You think getting to the top is LESS hard than what he's done already? Bullspit and you know it. The next steps are the hardest. Your claim of slim margin is beating UGA and then beating Bama/LSU in the title game and then winning 2 games against top 4 teams. You think that margin is miniscule? Seriously. You hit your head or something? You hit the bottle?

Your posts are you being a giant prick. That's probably why no one responded.

I am a Dan Mullen fan and support him. He'll get at least 4 years. He has returned us to some respectability and deserves credit for doing so. I see zero reason to try to put him into some fake top 5 that means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Seriously? Are you drunk? My quote about room for improvement being minuscule for Mullens first two seasons stands. Instead of being a prick why not simply tell me who you think would have done better? Chip? Mullen returned a 4-7 team to respectability and more in those two seasons. The minuscule margin for improvement is literally championships the past 2 years. Who exactly do you think would be hoisting the trophy today?
It’s far easier to claim Mullen didn’t get it done these 2 years.....much harder to state who exactly would have done better. I don’t think you didn’t answer because I’m a prick. I think it’s because you don’t have anyone you truly believe we could have hired that would be hoisting a trophy today and heading to the playoffs.

So... who you got? Who would go 21-5 with 2 NY6 bowl wins (hopefully)? The margin for improvement there is razor thin.

By the way I didn’t put him in any top 5. Just read my post. I agree it’s a worthless supposition. He’s exceeded my expectations and I think is doing a great job so far.
 

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