Game Reset: Re-ranking the top 5 coaches

T REX · Dec 8, 2019

Marine1 said:
He’s exceeded my expectations and I think is doing a great job so far.

I agree with the above. Some of you seem overly sensitive. Mullen detractors on here are nothing like under Chump or Butters. Not even close. Why stir the pot? Why foment these ridiculous pissing matches. Over what?

I LIKE MULLEN. He's done a decent job so far but the next steps are rather large ones.

I can't put him into some top 5 when he's won nothing of import in 12 years. Sorry. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad coach. He just has't made that next step into elite yet.

SeabeeGator · Dec 8, 2019

T REX said:
I agree with the above. Some of you seem overly sensitive. Mullen detractors on here are nothing like under Chump or Butters. Not even close. Why stir the pot? Why foment these ridiculous pissing matches. Over what?

I LIKE MULLEN. He's done a decent job so far but the next steps are rather large ones.

I can't put him into some top 5 when he's won nothing of import in 12 years. Sorry. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad coach. He just has't made that next step into elite yet.

His recruiting history holds me back from top 5, not lack of championships. He’s only had two years in his career when it was even remotely possible (18/19) and he wasn’t even playing with a full deck. But he’s certainly top 5 in the sec.

Concrete Helmet · Dec 8, 2019

Mullen's good points
Gets the most out of QB's and keeps them focused.
Overall a pretty decent play caller.
Can improvise offense to match roster make up....2006 & 2019
Is a likable guy(in other words he's not a weirdo or d!ck like Butters or Chimp)
Players seem to like and buy into him.

Mullen's down side(at least to this point including MSU tenure)
Doesn't recruit with the intensity of the elites....
Seems stubborn at times sticking with players instead of shaking it up.
Seems to go AWOL in biggest games...almost seems like play calling to not lose instead of win.
Doesn't get teams off to fast starts in games.

Marine1 · Dec 8, 2019

T REX said:
I agree with the above. Some of you seem overly sensitive. Mullen detractors on here are nothing like under Chump or Butters. Not even close. Why stir the pot? Why foment these ridiculous pissing matches. Over what?

I LIKE MULLEN. He's done a decent job so far but the next steps are rather large ones.

I can't put him into some top 5 when he's won nothing of import in 12 years. Sorry. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad coach. He just has't made that next step into elite yet.

With all due respect .....I think it is a serious reach to suggest anyone defending DM are the ones stoking the fire. We read all day every day in multiple threads what is wrong with the coach. Responding to that is hardly out of line.

My point has nothing to do with elite or top 5. It’s simply that he has done a great job. If he goes 4-8 like the last 2 he will be gone.

YLGator · Dec 8, 2019

Marine1 said:
With all due respect .....I think it is a serious reach to suggest anyone defending DM are the ones stoking the fire. We read all day every day in multiple threads what is wrong with the coach. Responding to that is hardly out of line.

My point has nothing to do with elite or top 5. It’s simply that he has done a great job. If he goes 4-8 like the last 2 he will be gone.

Thread was pretty simple. Question was is Dan a top 5 coach. Many answered no. Nobody said he was a bad coach or suggested he be replaced. Not sure why that got some posters panties in a wad, but for some reason it clearly did.

78 · Dec 9, 2019

Consider the titanic power shift if Saban were to suddenly retire, as Cowherd openly considers in this piece from a month ago after Bama lost to LSU.

”I think Nick Saban does think about retirement now, and I think he's closer to it than anybody in the media would acknowledge. I think there are seven reasons. No. 1, his age. He's 68 ... No. 2, he likes power, and the transfer portal is driving him nuts ... No. 3, and this is a real thing, the recruiting (cycle) in college football is now non-stop .... the other thing (No. 4) is Tua is leaving. He's easily been the best quarterback Saban has ever had and he's leaving ... No. 5, there are seven-figure TV jobs lined up for him. He's going to be a TV star, and they're all lined up ... No. 6, college football is so offensive-minded now, he can't stop anybody ... he had a bye week and he couldn't stop LSU. He had six weeks and he couldn't stop Trevor Lawrence or DeShaun Watson ... and then (No. 7) when you become a glamour program like Alabama, you can't keep your best assistants around. You get cherry-picked every year.

"So he's losing assistants, players are transferring, he's close to 70, Tua is leaving, TV jobs are available and ugly losses are piling up. The game is moving away from Nick ... “

Dabo’s buyout is a minuscule 4M, 6M if he leaves for Bama, who probably already has that sitting in an interest-bearing account ready to go.

Just sharing a thought on Monday morning

Durty South Swamp · Dec 9, 2019

If saban retires I'd be very surprised to see Dabo follow him at bama. He's built clemson from nothing to a power house and every year heavyweight contender. He can win 10+ games and compete for a conf title there every year and they will build statues of him for it. If he goes to bama, anything less than the SEC crown and playoff births resulting in the natty annually will be viewed negatively. Imagine how his first loss will be perceived by the fan base.

Dabo stays because you dont want to be the guy that follows a legend. You want to be the guy that follows the guy that followed a legend.

Swamp Donkey · Dec 9, 2019

Durty South Swamp said:
Dabo stays because you dont want to be the guy that follows a legend. .

One of the many garbage excuses for Foley failing at his job.

OSU and Okie have no trouble following the legend. With a coordinator. Obviously, you can have success "following a legend" but the first key to it is not making a garbage hire of a failed coordinator bc you happen to like him

You realize all of the gatorchatter "coach rules" are fvkking stupid, right?

78 · Dec 9, 2019

Durty, if you thought the pull on Frost from Nebraska was big, Dabo to Bama would amount to a solar magnetic field.

Durty South Swamp · Dec 9, 2019

saban, dabo, riley, smart ( :gah:

), franklin would be my top 5. if urbs gets back in the game he moves to the top of the list and franklin is bumped. i hate having smart there because i think he sucks as a coach, but he recruits well enough that even our super amazing coach (channeling some pumps here) gets beat by him. Beat him and he can get off the list.

Whether or not mullen was the best person for our job is irrelevant. And asking who would do better is about the dumbest question you could ask in this thread. The individuals placed in the top 5, by very definition, would likely do better. Thats the entire point of this thread.

Durty South Swamp · Dec 9, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
one of the many garbage excuses for Foley failing at his job.

OSU and Okie have no trouble following the legend. With a coordinator.

You realize all of the gatorchatter "coach rules" are fvkking stupid, right?

I didnt say it can't happen. I said its an undesirable position to be placed in because its max pressure and in Dabos case, for no additional reward. As a coach you are looking to maximize your position and ceiling while minimizing risk and pitfall potential. In Dabo's case, hes currently at the pinnacle and can do no wrong. He's winning conf and national titles, has an absolutely loaded roster and staff, full support from the admin, beloved by the fanbase and boosters, super easy schedule and path to the conf title game, and is paid top 3 in the nation. But yes, he's desperate to trade all that for basically the same thing, but at a school where the fans demand it and in a conf where its hard as hell to win it all.

You can inject all the emotional "fck foley" quips you want into this discussion but it doesnt change the fact that bama cant really offer dabo anything he doesnt already have except for more pressure and demand to win big and immediately. Maybe they throw 10 mil out to sweeten it, but that would be about the only reason to consider it.

Swamp Donkey · Dec 9, 2019

Fckk Foley.

Obviously, if it wwre Iga, OSU, USC, the answer is no.

Home may be a strong enough call though.

I wouldnt bet on it either.

And FCKK FOLEY.

GatorJ · Dec 9, 2019

78 said:
Consider the titanic power shift if Saban were to suddenly retire, as Cowherd openly considers in this piece from a month ago after Bama lost to LSU.

”I think Nick Saban does think about retirement now, and I think he's closer to it than anybody in the media would acknowledge. I think there are seven reasons. No. 1, his age. He's 68 ... No. 2, he likes power, and the transfer portal is driving him nuts ... No. 3, and this is a real thing, the recruiting (cycle) in college football is now non-stop .... the other thing (No. 4) is Tua is leaving. He's easily been the best quarterback Saban has ever had and he's leaving ... No. 5, there are seven-figure TV jobs lined up for him. He's going to be a TV star, and they're all lined up ... No. 6, college football is so offensive-minded now, he can't stop anybody ... he had a bye week and he couldn't stop LSU. He had six weeks and he couldn't stop Trevor Lawrence or DeShaun Watson ... and then (No. 7) when you become a glamour program like Alabama, you can't keep your best assistants around. You get cherry-picked every year.

"So he's losing assistants, players are transferring, he's close to 70, Tua is leaving, TV jobs are available and ugly losses are piling up. The game is moving away from Nick ... “

Dabo’s buyout is a minuscule 4M, 6M if he leaves for Bama, who probably already has that sitting in an interest-bearing account ready to go.

Just sharing a thought on Monday morning

Do you know who the best coach to replace Saban would be?

Chump.

Durty South Swamp · Dec 9, 2019

GatorJ said:
Do you know who the best coach to replace Saban would be?

Chump.

I may be in the minority, but I have a strong feeling that when the bama HC position does open up, they will end up being forced to settle for someone far less than what the fan base hoped for or expected. Very few coaches want to follow in Saban's footsteps because none sans 2 (meyer and dabo) have any chance of matching his successes. And with an extremely entitled fan base, rabid boosters, and an admin that is focused like an eagle on football, anything less than year in and year out playoff births and titles is going to be looked at very unfavorably.

The top candidates will likely look at the situation and say, well, I can do there what I'm already doing, but have less room for error and much more pressure and expectations. Those couple individuals aren't biting without an extreme increase in salary. Can bama afford 9-10 mil a year? Because that may be what it takes. And 9-10 mil for a guy NOT named Saban? Would they be willing if they could afford?

Instead they will end up with someone whos ok with the possibility of getting paid a huge buyout in a few years. And that is exactly the coach you DON'T want.

Swamp Donkey · Dec 9, 2019

yeah I don't know. I doubt things are going to change much and the Alabama position comes with an unlimited budget and all the support you could possibly imagine. I don't know who's going to turn that down because there's only three or four places in the country where you get that. frankly I'm not sure anyone else but Alabama has I totally unlimited budget and staff

the only downside I guess is having to go to Florida to recruit your top talent, but so long as we hire McelStainsvor Mullins that's not really a difficult obstacle anymore.

Durty South Swamp · Dec 9, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
yeah I don't know. I doubt things are going to change much and the Alabama position comes with an unlimited budget and all the support you could possibly imagine. I don't know who's going to turn that down because there's only three or four places in the country where you get that. frankly I'm not sure anyone else but Alabama has I totally unlimited budget and staff

the only downside I guess is having to go to Florida to recruit your top talent, but so long as we hire McelStainsvor Mullins that's not really a difficult obstacle anymore.

They have a huge budget now due to obscene football revenue. Wait until a guy NOT named Dabo is hired and see how cash laden they are after a year or 2. Especially if guy not named Dabo drops 2 games his first year. You're jaded bro, and I get it. It's been a long time since anyone has had any chance of competing with bama, but its not going to last in perpetuity. It's almost 100% Saban and no one else. When he's gone, it's going with him.

It's gonna be ok big guy. :lol:

T REX · Dec 9, 2019

Durty South Swamp said:
They have a huge budget now due to obscene football revenue. Wait until a guy NOT named Dabo is hired and see how cash laden they are after a year or 2. Especially if guy not named Dabo drops 2 games his first year. You're jaded bro, and I get it. It's been a long time since anyone has had any chance of competing with bama, but its not going to last in perpetuity. It's almost 100% Saban and no one else. When he's gone, it's going with him.

It's gonna be ok big guy.

They'll offer Dabo 10X10. He'll take it and they'll keep on drumming along. If it is true that his buy out to Bama is only 6 mill...how does anyone not read that as he's as good as gone when that job opens up. It's like Meyer and OSU/ND but much worse. Swinney was a walk on at Bama. He grew up not far from Birmingham during the Bear years as a kid. He was raised on the Crimson Tide. They call...and he'll go.

Swamp Donkey · Dec 9, 2019

Uh huh. Sure. As I recall they went and purchased an NFL coach last time. Not sure why you think they won't purchase exactly who they want this time to.

Im not envious ofntheir budget. it really doesn't take much of a total budget to outspend us (football spending that is). they spend most dollars on football while we spend 50 to 60% on administration and 20 to 30% on non-revenue sports. I'm not jaded because they have a big budget right now. their budget really not incredible. their dedication to their football program is what stands out.

SGG · Dec 9, 2019

Swamp Donkey said:
Uh huh. Sure. As I recall they went and purchased an NFL coach last time. Not sure why you think they won't purchase exactly who they want this time to.

Im not envious ofntheir budget. it really doesn't take much of a total budget to outspend us (football spending that is). they spend most dollars on football while we spend 50 to 60% on administration and 20 to 30% on non-revenue sports. I'm not jaded because they have a big budget right now. their budget really not incredible. their dedication to their football program is what stands out.

Pray tell, who, as an “NFL guy” head coach would replace Saban at Bama if he were to suddenly retire today?

78 · Dec 9, 2019

There’s 4.88 million reasons why Dabo would be a slam dunk and they all live between Georgia and Mississippi.

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