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Discussion in 'Main Sports Forum' started by LongTooth, Jul 31, 2018.
What I wouldn't do for another Ellis Johnson........
From the 247 boards -- so who knows the accuracy -- looks good, though: #1 overall class in 1992 (Wallace,, #5 Lemming) #1 overall class in 2000 (Wallace & Lemming) #2 overall class in 1995 (Lemming, #6 Wallace) #3 overall class in 1997 (Wallace & Lemming) #5 overall class in 1996 (Lemming, not in Wallace top-10) #7 overall class in 1998 (Wallace, #8 Lemming) #7 overall class in 1999 (Wallace, not in Lemming top-10) #8 overall class in 1993 (Wallace, #9 Lemming) UF was in neither service's top-10 in 1994 or 2001. Importantly, Spurrier never went 3 years without a class that ranked in the national top-5 of at least one of these 2 services. That's not quite what we see from Saban or Kirby Smart, but in my opinion, it's still elite. UF's SEC class rankings for the 1992-2001 period are as follows: 1992 - #1 (Wallace & Lemming) 1993 - #3 (Wallace & Lemming) 1994 - unknown, not in national top-10 1995 - #1 (Wallace, #2 Lemming) 1996 - #2 (Lemming, not in Wallce national top-10) 1997 - #1 (Wallace, #2 Lemming) 1998 - #1 (Lemming, #3 Wallace) 1999 - #2 (Wallace, not in Lemming national top-10) 2000 - #1 (Wallace & Lemming) 2001 - unknown, not in national top-10) So, Spurrier's classes were in the SEC's top-3 in 8 of the 10 classes for which we have data, including 5 which ranked #1 in one of the 2 services. I'd say that speaks for itself. Spurrier's Recruiting from 1992-2001
So you agree, we are recruiting better than mcelwain. That is an improvement, which is a step in the right direction. I agree we had the 2nd worst recruiting staff, but we have had plenty of staff turnover and also appear to be hiring more analysts. Another step in the right direction. I think if you understood what bragging was you would realize I'm not doing that. I'm simply agreeing with you, things are better now than they were with mcelwain, and things are continuing to improve. What are the SEC tiers?
Who cares about anything after 2008? That's when we became 3rd tier SEC, right? Mac is the measuring stick for current trends, even though he was a colossal disaster. And being a colossal disaster, it's not easy to immediately jump back into elite status, especially for a guy who isnt a used car salesman . We are trending up, which is not sad to me.
Mac is in no way the measuring stick at UF. Mullen's job is to win championships. If he's not a closer, he needs to hire some. Seems he's starting to recognize that. Hope its not too late for him as I've actually been pleasantly surprised with his coaching ability. Won't do him any good if he keeps filling the team with high 3, low 4 star players.
Zook and Chimp were better than Butterteeth too.
McElame sank UF players for 3 years into chaos football, totally lapsed in preparation and on-field performance, and in FB IQ. Just the trying to think football must have plagued them into nauseous vertigo.
currently, mac is the realistic measuring stick. Unless you just want to *****? Mac made it to the SECCG, so the measuring stick first is to win the SEC imo. I do agree Mullen needs to hire some closers. But I also understand he wanted guys he trusted to set his foundation at UF. The idea that it might be too late for Mullen is just silly.
I feel like it's pretty tough to recruit for UF in this day and age. The locker rooms have been in shambles for a while. These kids were pretty young back when when the gators were winning championships, and let's face it, aside from a couple outlier years, we've been mediocre at best since Meyer left. Alabama and Clemson have been engrained into their minds. I think that Mullen knows he's got to pick it up on the trail (hints the Frey hire) and I believe he will. Sorry for the optimism lol
I agree that the expectation is SEC championships. Not sure how any Mac comparison fits with that expectation. Saying Mullen is doing better than Mac is meaningless and simply lowers the bar.
Do you have a realistic time frame that you expect Mullen to win a SEC championship? I think you are letting your mac hate blind you. Mac went to multiple SECCGs, right? Well, to improve on that Mullen needs to win a SEC championship. We all want to get back to where SOS had us, or where Meyer improved on SOS considering your personal views. But a team has to take a path there, not just teleport. Maybe this is the year. Maybe its next year, or the year after. I just want to keep showing improvement and an upwards trend.
Bammer's spring game was more competition for them. That was hardly even a scrimmage. We had people declaring moral victories if we managed to score an offensive TD at all. We went to those games, but to call that a championship is just as embarrassing as considering Methzu a dynasty bc they went twice also. It really doesn't say much more than how awful the east was.
Dude, you have to be a troll. Your posts read like Gators would be posting on rival boards about how they should just accept and be happy with not winning, while acting like we are one of them. It also reads like your the guy who’s still at the first ****ty job you ever got and married the first woman to give it up. We get it; You like to settle for and just be happy with hope for a bit better than what you have now, while constantly suggesting to others it’s good enough for the time being (no idea how long that time being is supposed to last). I must have missed that chapter on settling and lowering expectations in books about leadership and building greatness.
Sure, you can rationalize all you want, or make excuses, or whatever. But mcelwain still took UF to the SECCG. Mullen needs to do better than just getting there.
Your comprehension stinks. First, why would a Gator post on a rival board? That's just stupid. Who said be happy with not winning? I never said that. I get it, it's cool to *****. Grown men need to vent, right? I'm not lowering any bar, I'm expecting SEC championships. Funny, you used the word "building" in your post. Yet I'm the troll for supporting the build?
McGumpy is not a measuring stick? That buffoon is the fool's gold standard for total failure as a professional and a man of any character at all. I do agree that Mullen has to find a way to up the ante in recruiting - or face eventual failure. I just had to give McDooshy his proper due.
I don't give Mac a second thought. I've just found that if you don't demand greatness, you won't get it. I'm not interested in marginal improvement from rock bottom. Spurrier won the SEC on the field in his first season. Meyer won the SEC and the national title in his second. That's the measuring stick around here. Winners win and losers make excuses.
I'm not sure what makes you think I don't believe this is the goal. Thought I'd been pretty clear. Could probably find a thousand posts where I said championships are the standard here, probably a thousand more that said there's no such thing as an East "championship". However were three elite recruiting classes away from competing again. You have to be elite plus have depth in the SEC. it is what it is.
When mickey mouse (mac) won a game, it was painful to watch and never felt like victory. He literally stumbled into the seccg. It had nothing to do with his coaching ability. Look, I really tried my best to support sharky because he was our coach like it or not and I always want our coaches to succeed. That said, he has to be the worst gator coach to ever step foot in the swamp. Maybe the worst ever in the SEC.
He would never step on the field. He'd be on the sidelines with all the other defensive tackles that are too slow to cover a tight end on the crazy blitzes and line games. We are not looking for two gap run-stoppers and have no use for them. Our defense is 5 defensive backs, 4 outside linebackers and 1 defensive ends. Or 5-3-1- and 1 DT.
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