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  1. Detroitgator

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    He did exactly what he said he was going to do and what we should have done in these situations (like Afghanistan at first)... go in, do the dirty job fast and hard, leave... rinse and repeat as necessary.

    Cracks me up how in one breath, people will say "We are still in Afghanistan" and in the next say, "this is a mistake to get out of Syria".
     
    • Durty South Swamp

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      that's bc everything IS a deal and a negotiation for a piece of the pie. Every other country, say again, EVERY other country we get into entanglements with is perpetually jockeying for better position with less financial responsibility. The US is the only country that has taken on the benevolent fatherly role for the last 80 years and all we've gotten for it is a mountain of debt and a spider web of foreign obligations that other countries remind us of every time we attempt to restart.

      Many have been brainwashed into thinking these treaties, agreements, etc aren't negotiations for max self benefit, but I can assure you, for every other country they are and always have been. Always.
       
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        Like GW before him the pipe dream of spreading western style democracy throughout the world is just that, a pipe dream.
         
        • NOLAGATOR

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          We really need to get out of Afghanistan.

          I like Rand Paul...I don't see what we gain trying to fight everyone else's wars.

          I'd rather pay down the debt and pay the troops and give them the best.
           
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            Trump Strikes a Blow at the Empire
            Michael S. Rozeff

            Trump is withdrawing American forces from Syria. He is withdrawing thousands of American forces from Afghanistan too, and he is talking to the Taliban. Trump has stopped refueling Saudi airplanes against Yemen. Trump is negotiating with North Korea. We can only applaud these moves and support them heartily. We can only hope that he does not by his own choice or pressures upon him reverse these measures or expand American operations elsewhere.

            We can be quite sure that Trump is now delivering actions that oppose what Hillary Clinton would have done had she been elected president.

            At the same time, Trump has increased the American force applied in Somalia and Yemen via drone strikes. He maintains the active U.S. interest in Africa begun by Obama, both military and economic, one sign being a new $60 billion International Development Finance Corporation.

            On Ukraine, Trump is holding back from supplying advanced arms. Despite pressures, he is not ratcheting up tensions over the Kerch Strait matter. Trump met with Putin at the G20 meeting. Anti-Russia and pro-Ukraine political elements had tried to torpedo this meeting with phony reports of a Trump threat not to meet Putin unless he backed down over the Kerch Strait. These attempts failed.

            Trump has had great difficulty filling top posts without appointing people from the “swamp” and people opposed to him personally and his basic policy of placing American interests first. It appears that the task he took upon himself to shrink the empire was more than he realized; and he under-estimated the bitter hatred of the pro-empire interests against him and his policy. Whatever his miscalculations, he is holding out and delivering some anti-empire results.

            The hostility toward Trump from an odd but united front of disparate elements has been enormous and unrelenting. These elements include liberal media, right-wing and Rockefeller Republicans, left-wing and centrist Democrats, evangelicals, neocons, pro-empire corporate interests, Deep Statists, anti-Russia antagonists, foreign policy and humanitarian moralists, political correctness crusaders, and globalists of all stripes including social media.

            Trump’s anti-globalism is an anti-empire attitude, not against world relations per se. He therefore is battling ways of thought, interests and institutions of empire that go back to 1789. He has to be given a lot of credit for out-maneuvering his domestic opponents and enemies. Trump has to be given credit for wisely biding his time until he could make the moves he is making. Just before Christmas is an excellent time to announce troop reductions.

            America used to greet bringing the boys home from foreign wars with applause. Now there is immense criticism from all components of the pro-empire contingent, who act as if the empire and Washington will crumble because 2,000 American soldiers are leaving Syria.

            The empire and its proponents have weakened America and subjected it to numerous harmful influences and forces. What rankles Trump is the globalism associated with the U.S. empire. At root, Trump disputes the immoral moralism by which the U.S. attempts to become the dominant world moral force. For an explanation of the relation between the empire and immoral moralism, see here.

            Making America Great Again is the opposite of a moralistic approach that seeks to make other countries over in the American image. But because immoral moralism is a deeply-embedded American philosophy, Trump is engaged in a very uphill battle. This is a battle likewise faced by libertarians.
             
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              But you’re right on this one? Sure
               
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                You are really naive if you believe this.

                I gave you a like on this post because you nailed it. Trump will never be close to a great President, but at least he's not a maniacal war-mongering neocon like most of the deep state.
                 
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                  So basically what you're saying is it happened regardless of our involvement, there was no right side to get on board with, and theres just no farming of democracy in these areas and cultures.

                  Welcome to MAGA foreign policy, glad to have you aboard.
                   
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                    Muslim brotherhood are some real humanitarians, let me tell you.

                    #iheartmorsi
                     
                    • Detroitgator

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                      Silly man, you are sooooo wrong... don't believe me? Ask everyone here. ;)
                       
                      • Gator Fever

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                        We got lucky the military took Egypt back also.
                         
                        • Swamp Donkey

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                          Yes. We are terribly unreliable, but Obama was also damn near worthless vis a vis the Kurds. Only slightly better than Trump.

                          He was impotent vs Ersogan, THE rising problem in the mideast. There is little doubt that we backed the military vs Erdogan, then Bay of Pigsed them. We got tens of thousands of loyal, decent people killed. Often their sons too.

                          I dont believe Obama meant to be blind to islamists, I suspect the problem was the Muslim brotherhood/ American Hamas/CAIR advisors throughout his staff, i cluding Huma Abedin and even a couple of generals who had a blindspot.

                          Make no mistake about it we bombed Gaddafi and took him out. We werent the ones who finished him.w the bayonet up the ass but we took him out. We installed Al Quada affiliates in power in Libya and we tried to do the same in Syria.

                          The people Obama supported in Southern Syria were cutting out the hearts of Syrian soldiers and police and eating them on youtube. THOSE were the Al Quade linked "moderate Muslims" Obama found in southern Syria. I have ZERO problem leaving them to their ends. Hell, get me the popcorn.
                           
                          • Detroitgator

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                            Lboy was allllll for the Arab Spring debacle.
                             
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                              You forgot to mention that we shouldn't sent plane loads of cash to Iraq where it ended up in the hands of terrorist worldwide.....Does anyone else notice how quickly and easily we all but decimated ISIS once we stopped giving them money to try and kill us....:headslap:
                               
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                                Send Kerry and his wife to dinner in Damascus again
                                 
                                • NOLAGATOR

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                                  This from the LIB.

                                  Where in the Constitution do we fight wars w/o Congress?

                                  It does not work. Veit Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan...

                                  And the Kurds want equipment and support not bodies.
                                   
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                                    Not drawing a red line that he had zero intentions of enforcing would have been a start...
                                     
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                                      We should have never armed the fundamentalists to try and overthrow Assad in the first place. Uni-party BS.
                                       
                                      • Detroitgator

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                                        People crack me up
                                         
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                                          :doh:......im guessing Putin made the call on this one.........Syria was a tragedy I never saw coming.........just awful but most of the middle east is a clstrFCK. We probably should say fck it and take our toys and go home.
                                           

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