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  1. Durty South Swamp

    Durty South Swamp doodley doodley doo!
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    There are four core tenants and all must be in place in order to establish physical security in any environment.

    360 degrees of physical impediment
    Effective surveillance
    Response/interdiction capability
    Prediction capacity

    A wall, fence, barrier, mountain, ocean, etc whether natural or man-made is needed in order to establish security. Period.

    This is not opinion or politics or talking points. It is the foundational principle for establishment of effective security.

    Fools that make claims like "walls don't work" are not serious people and should be ignored.
     
    • Tay Bang

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      Same reason the Pubs put Obamacare repeal on Obama’s desk every week for many years, knowing it would be vetoed, then nothing when Trump was elected. Why do you think Republicans are any different than Democrats? Good to see you are still in the Matrix, blindly taking your blue pill every morning.
       
      • Gator By Marriage

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        Actually, he wins either way. Incomplete wall he can now blame on his opponents in a way the average person will understand (which they would not if the GOP still had the majority in the House); completed wall (even a partial one) and he says look what i did. The only way he loses is if he signs a budget that does not have funding. Both sides are well aware of this, hence the standoff.
         
        • Detroitgator

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          It’s no different than the principles that apply to establishing an obstacle in a defense. Zero. These people would have you believe that there is no need for a physical obstacle to overwatch and defend... that one can just observe the spot where you would like to physically emplace an immoral barrier/obstacle and then send a response team to where you wished you had an immoral actual obstacle.

          Stupid and doomed.
           
          • Bushmaster

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            The buzz words "smart, reasonable, common sense" make it sound like they support it when they really don't.
             
            • NOLAGATOR

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              And soon this will affect the working Government Employee and Welfare.

              What, the Dems are going to let people go without a paycheck over $5 Bil?

              We spend $7 bil on Head start and STATS show it is ineffective.

              The War in Afghanistan is $45Bil/YR...You can't cut that $5Bil?
               
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                You forgot "comprehensive"... it fits in front of all those and makes them even smarter, more reasonable, and definitely full of common sense. ;)
                 
                • g8trjax

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                  Yeah, walls don't work. That's why every rich, dick politician and hollywood azzhole lives behind one. :rolleyes:
                   
                  • Gator By Marriage

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                    Initially he was trying to not use taxpayer dollars as you may recall (whether that was realistic or not is a different question). Once the decision was made to use USG funding it became part of the budget process. Realistically, the 2019 budget (which should have been passed in the summer of 2018, or at least before September 30th if Congress took its' job seriously) was the first chance to do this. Even if the Prez had tried to do it in the 2018 budget he still would have had this problem as you need 60 votes in the Senate (to get cloture) to pass a budget. I don't doubt he expected this to be a fight, but no Prez (of either party) wants these govt. shutdowns in an election year. So, politically speaking, if you are going to go into one of these kinds of fights, this was the time to do it. (You can decide for yourself if these kinds of fights are good or bad.) Even if the GOP had kept the House, he would still possibly be having this fight, though in that scenario it would just be with Shumer instead of Shumer and Pelosi. So, this is not really a reflection of his negotiating skills (good or bad) nor a political stunt. Rather, it is a good look at how that town really works.
                     
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                      I think you are on to something, the Dems as a whole aren't opposed to smart border security they are opposed to Trump.
                       
                      • Pablos Tunnel

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                        As for the anchor baby issue. Well I would guess over 90% want this sham shut down. It is idiotic!
                         
                        • gardnerwebbgator

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                          He point blank offers to open the government, and Nancy said no. Full proof that ***** has been lying for two plus weeks, saying they would 'negotiate' after the government was reopened, when it is now proven she never had the intent to do so.

                          If the American people aren't smart enough to see through this bull**** and vote the House back red in 2020, our Republic is finished.
                           
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                            3500 B.C.

                            The first wheels were not used for transportation. Evidence indicates they were created to serve as potter's wheels around 3500 B.C. in Mesopotamia—300 years before someone figured out to use them for chariots. The ancient Greeks invented Western philosophy…and the wheelbarrow.
                             
                            • Tay Bang

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                              That statement in one word is simply "bullchit". You have got to do better than using nebulous phrases like "smart".

                              If our immigrants voted majority Republican, border security funding would be tenfold, heck maybe one hundred fold.
                               
                              • Tay Bang

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                                Dems will not give in to Trump. He is an outsider. And his base are outsiders. They cannot give him a win for his base. Anyways, as far as Dems are concerned, no border security is good. More Democratic voters. But you know this. It's a shame. You appear to be a bright guy, but you just keep spouting blue talking points instead of actually thinking.
                                 
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                                  This is a very good point. Looking at this Prez through the normal political lens does not work. He didn't come up through the system like every president since JFK. Whether you love him, hate him, or something in between, you have to admit he marches to his own beat and is going to do whatever he thinks is the right thing to do.
                                   
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                                    He let Ryan and them hoodwink him because they agreed to some other stuff the last time. I do think he thought after the election was over they were going to get the 5 billion as part of the deal. McConnell isn't quite as bad as Ryan was but he is controlled by the Chamber of Commerce types money also.
                                     

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