A Good Thing, or a Bad Thing?

[Swamp Donkey]

I am not defending the administration but why is it that chimp could recruit better when he was here with worse facilities and no plans for improvement?

There is no doubt that both are to blame.

Chimp recruited well only in that he recruited the unrecruitables, DBs and underized ends. Most teams recruit half as many DBs and move their receivers over when they fail. Half sized DEs or slow LBers? Chimp was the only one recruiting.

It is truebthat Chimp recruited marginally better but the facikities thing really came to a head as the Arkies, Ole Miss, Clemsons and Big 10 teams moved SO FAR ahead of us that players just wont consider us anymore.

Before it was just Bammer, then Bammer and Clown Town who are so far ahead.

We laugh at the number of assistants Bammer (and now everyone else have), bit having one or two assistants spending their entire year studying just one team is how Bammer always seems to know what play is coming.

Having a few dozen recruiting assistants watching film all year long is why all those other teams are NOT scrambling three weeks before NSD and put in the position of trying to flip players who have been committed elsewhere for a damn year or running off to FIU to steal recruits.

We MUST drain the swamp. Two much dead wood, rotten dead wood, in the athletic dept.

 

[TN G8tr]

I know that Mac has his issue and we all on him about that. But a program such as UF should not have to have the HBC demanding these things and constantly staying on them about it. UF prides itself on be a championship caliber program then we should have the facilities to go with it. This will help in recruiting, coaching, and yes $$$$$. If this it true it is absolute BS that this is going on. IMO if they can't step up and get things to the level of most of the SEC schools then they need to go. Perhaps 28 years is too long to be a one place. Complacency is not going to to get it done at UF.

 

[Alagator]

I have a friend that's a project manager for housing and he's pushing them very hard also. They've named him Mac the builder.

 

[ChiefGator]

Well star employees who are difficult are often tolerated because they are star employees. Still the process usually, get hired, produce at a star level, become difficult. The process of get hired, become difficult, produce at a star level is an interesting new path to try.

Yes they do, but that is a mistake and I don't consider MAC a star and I bet few here do. Good point!!

 

[Alagator]

Alagator, I am not sure from reading your post. Is Mac being held back on coaching salaries so that he cannot hire the best position coaches and coordinators?

I was told he was pushing for ALL of those areas very strongly and the administration seems to think they are meeting his needs or...are in the process of meeting needs... i.e. the new football facility... Right now, the big push is the new facility and that was what was specifically said that Mac isn't getting everything he's demanding.

But yes, Mac continues to push hard on all those fronts and essentially when they give a little.... he says, 'that's nice...but you have to do better than that...' It appears they aren't used to a coach demanding so much from them and it's wearing on them...

 

[Alagator]

My experience is when you as an employee make life difficult for your superiors eventually they get tired of your approach and you get fired. Now there is a massive difference between an employee coming to management with proposals, cost benefit analysis, and the improvements that can be expected. This is generally called team work, which if the HBC does not understand well he is not the right person for the job. Challenging constraints and the typical way is great, when it becomes more than that it is not.

You also don't know what he was promised when he took the job. Our program was a dumpster fire and perhaps he was promised the time and resources neccessary to build it back to elite level.?. Now whether he is capable of pulling that off is up for debate. But if he was promised that and now the admin is cheaping out I could understand him being so demanding. In the end, it's his name and ass on the line...

 

[Swamp Donkey]

They promised the same thing to Billy D through the years.

Their promisses are worthless. All it really means is maybe in a decade or two we will replace this or that with some lower mid level replacement

 

[MidwestChomp]

So the question is, will Mac leave for another job soon when he doesn't get what he wants?

 

[URGatorBait]

So the question is, will Mac leave for another job soon when he doesn't get what he wants?

 

[T REX]

Explains the possible flirtation with Oregon.

Does this mean we are no longer a "destination" job?

 

[88drgator]

So the question is, will Mac leave for another job soon when he doesn't get what he wants?

And/or is that just a nice excuse to have when we produce another sub-100 offense? We couldn't recruit, hire....

 

[rogdochar]

These administrative guys should be superfueled by leaving behind structurally inferior UF and heading toward parity in architectural beauty and functional superiority. I want Mac to behave to them just like in his K.Taylor throat-slash dissertation.

Recruits coming or turning us down have the close ears of MacNCrew. The money handlers should listen to the people who sweat heavy = recruits, players, and coaches. From all of them will come ingredients needed for putting together the best recipe for "return to dominance".

 

[Double Gator Dad]

I know that Mac has his issue and we all on him about that. But a program such as UF should not have to have the HBC demanding these things and constantly staying on them about it. UF prides itself on be a championship caliber program then we should have the facilities to go with it. This will help in recruiting, coaching, and yes $$$$$. If this it true it is absolute BS that this is going on. IMO if they can't step up and get things to the level of most of the SEC schools then they need to go. Perhaps 28 years is too long to be a one place. Complacency is not going to to get it done at UF.

As I read this I realize that you are 100% correct and that Foley took this entire "socialist university program" thing to a level way beyond what I realized. I have always respected the fact that he focused on all the programs versus just football but even I underestimated how much of a socialist at heart the guy really is. You can only rob the rich for so long before it catches up with you.

Thanks Jeremy. Now please just go away already

 

[NVGator]

Yet another reason not to hire a Saban acolyte is that at UF and other places, the tail is not allowed to wag the dog. The Saban act will grow thin at UF quickly. He may regret not going after that Oregon job, if he knows nothing more than to act like Saban.

Who makes more money? Who is really the dog and who's the tail?

 

[TN G8tr]

They promised the same thing to Billy D through the years.

Their promisses are worthless. All it really means is maybe in a decade or two we will replace this or that with some lower mid level replacement

Yes they sure did. And again, if this is correct and Mac is having to do this.......I have no problem with it. And if they (Foley and Crew) feel they have to resign in order to get away from it, so be it. If Mac needs to put pressure on to run people off to get what we need, I'm good with it. We are paying him tons of money to produce on the field. And if these things will help us keep up with other schools, go for it. But Mac should understand it cannot be an excuse for underachieving on the field. But the UAA needs to get him the shyt he needs.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Who makes more money? Who is really the dog and who's the tail?

The University's operating revenue from 2015-16 was $1,800,000,000. The UAA's budget for the same period was $112,800,000. So that means the University takes in about 16 time the revenue of athletics.

While I answered it, your question is basically off the topic. UF is a university that has athletic teams, not a bunch of athletic teams that happens to have some classes or happens to grant some degrees.

 

[ergator920103]

I was told he was pushing for ALL of those areas very strongly and the administration seems to think they are meeting his needs or...are in the process of meeting needs... i.e. the new football facility... Right now, the big push is the new facility and that was what was specifically said that Mac isn't getting everything he's demanding.

But yes, Mac continues to push hard on all those fronts and essentially when they give a little.... he says, 'that's nice...but you have to do better than that...' It appears they aren't used to a coach demanding so much from them and it's wearing on them...

Thanks, for replying. I ask about coaching salaries because we have sub standard coaches on staff and frankly those coaches should not be getting paid top dollar. I am concerned that Mac wants to hire great position coaches and coordinators and cannot pay top dollar.

 

[Alagator]

As I read this I realize that you are 100% correct and that Foley took this entire "socialist university program" thing to a level way beyond what I realized. I have always respected the fact that he focused on all the programs versus just football but even I underestimated how much of a socialist at heart the guy really is. You can only rob the rich for so long before it catches up with you.

Thanks Jeremy. Now please just go away already

Hard to consider the guy a socialist... considering he made over $1,000,000 a year, lives in a presitgious gated community, and has use of a private jet for his business adventures. If he's a socialist at heart, he's a pretty bad one.

 

[alcoholica]

So... many of you know that a long time employee of the Florida Athletic Department (Chip Howard) and right hand man to Jeremy Foley recently resigned. I recently spoke to someone who is very close to him (and this person has given me little tidbits about the Gator program because of their close affiliation with him). I specifically asked WHY Chip resigned and if it had anything to do with the new AD.?.

The short answer to my direct question is NO. It had nothing to do with the new AD. They then went on to elaborate and said first of all, that he had been there 28 years and that was a long time to be in one stop and that the demands of his job were keeping him away from his young children too much. So this was a new opportunity to spend a little more time with family. The SECOND THING said is what really intrigued me. They said that Coach Mac is driving the Athletic Department higher ups absolutely crazy. He is VERY demanding and wants what he wants and wants it NOW!

He is pushing HARD, to the point of really rubbing people the wrong way, for upgrades to the facilities, coaching, and support staff. They said Mac wants ALL the bells and whistles in the new facility and then said something else... They said he's IS NOT going to get EVERYTHING he wants Mac is gonna be pissed and give them holy hell.

So.... I'm one who is and has been on the fence about Coach Mac. I see the state of the program he inherited for what is what...an absolute dumpster fire. I see he has made headway with some hires, some offensive talent, etc. But I am also very disgusted with our lack of offense and am unsatisfied with our recruiting as a whole, and embarrassing blowout losses... I'm hoping he can turn it around but I'm not confident enough in him that he will.

But to the point of this posts... Mac is really rubbing people in Athletic Department the wrong way...To the point of, if not directly causing it, at least making it easier for them to resign. My question to you is, do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing???

You SOB, I told you that I the strictest of confidence.

 

[Alagator]

Thanks, for replying. I ask about coaching salaries because we have sub standard coaches on staff and frankly those coaches should not be getting paid top dollar. I am concerned that Mac wants to hire great position coaches and coordinators and cannot pay top dollar.

I fear the same is true. And we have plenty of circumstantial evidence that at least supports that theory. But I don't know it for a fact. The conversation I had with this person didn't specifically say that. When I asked about that specifically, the comment to me was he is NEVER satisfied with ANYTHING...That he is pushing them on every front.

Then the conversation transitioned into the facilities....