Brady to be suspended

[dubster1]

2 games,, and allow ole roge to bang his wife

 

[t-gator]

It should be zero. I think it's ridiculous that suh can stomp on players and damn near remove someone's starting qb with excessive shcit after a play but brady gets 4 for allegedly deflating footballs. Goodel needs to go.

 

[rogdochar]

Charges are : assault with a deadly weapon and issuance of terrorist threats.

 

[LagoonGator68]

Charges are : assault with a deadly weapon and issuance of terrorist threats.

Thanks, rog

 

[crosscreekcooter]

Rog's wife had him arrested for assault with a dead weapon.

 

[TheDouglas78]

It should be zero. I think it's ridiculous that suh can stomp on players and damn near remove someone's starting qb with excessive shcit after a play but brady gets 4 for allegedly deflating footballs. Goodel needs to go.

Suh got lucky, that it has been 32 game since his last on field offense, if he had fallen within those 32 games, he would have gotten 6 to 8 game per CBA.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Only reason I believe it will be zero games is that Goodell and Kraft made a behind the scenes deal. Kraft accepts the penalties put on the Patriots if Brady's suspension is reduced to zero games.

Losing a #1 draft pick is a lot harder on an organization than losing your qb for 4 games.

 

[MJMGator]

Losing a #1 draft pick is a lot harder on an organization than losing your qb for 4 games.

I don't have a problem with the organization being penalized severely, as this is their second "cheating" scandal. My problem is with the decision to punish Brady without any evidence that he was involved in this.

 

[TheDouglas78]

I don't have a problem with the organization being penalized severely, as this is their second "cheating" scandal. My problem is with the decision to punish Brady without any evidence that he was involved in this.

The problem I have with it, is that the report that the League is using as evidence says that the coaching staff and management had no knowledge. So the evidence that is being used, shows no fault by the organization as a whole.

 

[MJMGator]

The problem I have with it, is that the report that the League is using as evidence says that the coaching staff and management had no knowledge. So the evidence that is being used, shows no fault by the organization as a whole.

But employees of the organization were responsible, so it falls on the organization/management.

 

[rogdochar]

Rog's wife had him arrested for assault with a dead weapon.

Yeah, back for the grave.

 

[TheDouglas78]

But employees of the organization were responsible, so it falls on the organization/management.

The employee's should be punished if they are going outside of the organizational guidelines and without the knowledge of the organization. By the definition you are giving, if Brady who handles balls on every play (similar to T) he should have known and reported. So by the same argument the organization/management should have known, it was Brady's responsibility to report it.

 

[MJMGator]

The employee's should be punished if they are going outside of the organizational guidelines and without the knowledge of the organization. By the definition you are giving, if Brady who handles balls on every play (similar to T) he should have known and reported. So by the same argument the organization/management should have known, it was Brady's responsibility to report it.

I disagree. Brady is not in management and isn't responsible for the actions of others. Kraft and the GM are. Assuming Brady should have known is just an opinion...not a fact. That's why I don't think it's just to punish him.

 

[rogdochar]

Surely, someone can "invent" a portable machine where a ref can stick the ball in a depression, pull a handle down and
the machine approves the inflation or bleeds out air to perfection or pumps in air.

 

[TheDouglas78]

I disagree. Brady is not in management and isn't responsible for the actions of others. Kraft and the GM are. Assuming Brady should have known is just an opinion...not a fact. That's why I don't think it's just to punish him.

So players have no responsibility at all for the fairness and rules of the game? Is that the argument you are going with? Because if a high ranking member of the NFLPA isn't responsible for his own actions and to follow the guidelines of the rule book, who is? The evidence in my opinion doesn't warrant a 4 game suspension, we are just talking about deflating balls (circumstantial evidence at best but this isn't a court case either). But there is evidence of communications between the employees and Brady that was verified. The two employees should have been fired unless there is evidence they were specifically told to deflate them (similar to the Saints players winning appeal argument).

 

[MJMGator]

So players have no responsibility at all for the fairness and rules of the game? Is that the argument you are going with? Because if a high ranking member of the NFLPA isn't responsible for his own actions and to follow the guidelines of the rule book, who is? The evidence in my opinion doesn't warrant a 4 game suspension, we are just talking about deflating balls (circumstantial evidence at best but this isn't a court case either). But there is evidence of communications between the employees and Brady that was verified. The two employees should have been fired unless there is evidence they were specifically told to deflate them (similar to the Saints players winning appeal argument).

The players have responsibility for their own actions...not the actions of others within the organization. If you can't prove Brady participated in or orchestrated the deflating of the balls, then he shouldn't be punished. If they're just assuming he should have known, then why not suspend the center, RBs and WRs? They handled the balls, as well.

 

[TheDouglas78]

The players have responsibility for their own actions...not the actions of others within the organization. If you can't prove Brady participated in or orchestrated the deflating of the balls, then he shouldn't be punished. If they're just assuming he should have known, then why not suspend the center, RBs and WRs? They handled the balls, as well.

You could make a very valid argument for the refs who I do think should also be punished. Due to type of contact with the ball of the center, wide outs and running backs. They would not have the same exposure as Brady. Remember this isn't a court case, and the NFL doesn't need to prove he orchestrated it. They just have to prove by the CBA and previous upheld NFL punishments he didn't turn it in or try to stop it.

 

[MJMGator]

You could make a very valid argument for the refs who I do think should also be punished. Due to type of contact with the ball of the center, wide outs and running backs. They would not have the same exposure as Brady. Remember this isn't a court case, and the NFL doesn't need to prove he orchestrated it. They just have to prove by the CBA and previous upheld NFL punishments he didn't turn it in or try to stop it.

To me, this is a league failure to have control of the footballs and/or ensure they are up to league standards. It is not nor has it ever been the players responsibility to monitor this. What next, penalize the kicker if the goal posts are six inches too low? I think Goodell is overstepping his bounds and should just be happy Kraft took one for the team.

 

[crosscreekcooter]

Did thd ball boys actually admit to deflating the balls? I understand there was a text that mentioned deflating, but how did they answer the questions by the league?

 

[TheDouglas78]

To me, this is a league failure to have control of the footballs and/or ensure they are up to league standards. It is not nor has it ever been the players responsibility to monitor this. What next, penalize the kicker if the goal posts are six inches too low? I think Goodell is overstepping his bounds and should just be happy Kraft took one for the team.

I agree Goodell overstepped, with the punishments. Goodell needs to be reined back, without a doubt. They were all too high for the crime. But if the refs tested the balls pre game, and they were in the standard of what is acceptable, and returned to the team. Then at half time they were tested and found to be deflated below what is acceptable. You have to look into it. They just followed the admittedly circumstantial evidence, but again this isn't a court issue. Goodell needs to be reined back, without a doubt.

As far as the really bad example of the goal posts, how many players have a tape measure to measure the 6 inches? That is completely different than something you have to hold and manipulate. But also think that it doesn't help just one team, unlike 11 out of 12 teams balls being deflated.