California, Florida sign law to allow college athletes to get paid

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Student athletes are not being exploited... They're given a free education, place to live, and food in exchange for participation in a GAME. Do the universities profit off the games? Sure they do, but the student athletes aren't being exploited. They're getting a chance to show off their skills to have an opportunity to enter the pro sports realm where they can earn MILLIONS. So in essence, they're getting free advertising on top of the free education, room and meals. They have it made. I wish I'd had enough athleticism to be given such a chance.
 

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If you pay football players you have to pay girls soccer too

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Where will the money come from to pay the 2nd tier non-revenue producing sports?

Question - Is this really paying the players or is it more of a "let them earn money off of their likeness and popularity?" type of thing?
I didn't see any mention of colleges actually having to pay athletes... but I may have missed it.
 

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Student athletes are not being exploited... They're given a free education, place to live, and food in exchange for participation in a GAME. Do the universities profit off the games? Sure they do, but the student athletes aren't being exploited. They're getting a chance to show off their skills to have an opportunity to enter the pro sports realm where they can earn MILLIONS. So in essence, they're getting free advertising on top of the free education, room and meals. They have it made. I wish I'd had enough athleticism to be given such a chance.
You could make the argument that an extremely small % of athletes are exploited as their market value exceeds that of the benefits. But we’re talking Heisman trophy contenders, etc. Every athlete in every other sport wouldn’t exceed their scholarship benefits and the vast majority of the guys on a 85 man (or 72 man, in UF’s case) roster wouldn’t either.
 

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You could make the argument that an extremely small % of athletes are exploited as their market value exceeds that of the benefits. But we’re talking Heisman trophy contenders, etc. Every athlete in every other sport wouldn’t exceed their scholarship benefits and the vast majority of the guys on a 85 man (or 72 man, in UF’s case) roster wouldn’t either.

Right, and rules are made for the average, not the exceptions. That's life.
 

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The should establish a trust fund that for all scholarship players on the Power 5 teams. Fund could only be accessible after a period of time and could only be used for educational expenses or other reasonable items. The inequality of what the institutions are extracting from the athletes is way out of balance. Placing funds in trusts should mitigate concerns of having to pay other programs

Uh, no. First, just limiting this to "Power 5" conferences would not hold up under even a cursory DoL review. As far as labor law that's an arbitrary distinction for a group that will likely be collective bargaining. Also, you can't just pay one class of athlete. It has to be all of them or you are in violation of Title IX. This is yet another Fool's parade.

You can't prove at all that the universities are extracting anything from these athletes. If the current Gator roster was playing for the Hogtown Bandits of the Southern Football League none of us would care - even if the football was of a slightly better quality than a new group of Florida Gators playing for our alma mater. The school branding adds the value, not the much lower quality football players.
 

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I'll add this. I could care less if the kids make money or sign deals as individuals. If they are good enough to have Nike want to sign a contract with them - fine. If they want to use the school's logo the school gets a cut of the contract. I think they should be able to charge for autographs if they want to and make money with independent contracts with sponsors. Zero problem with that. Guess how many will legitimately get these offers? Not damn many.

Will this make the games less competitive and open to cheating? Hell yes, but the big ones are cheating anyway. At least we'll know what those car dealerships are really paying the kids in Athens.
 

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NCAA will kick them out. Another ill-conceived California initiative.

Its like their energy sector. Sounds great on paper until you consider they have to buy power from other states to meet their base load electricity. And that electricity is produced by coal/nuclear
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Most everything California come up with sounds good on paper but in reality is a sham. Take a look at the state of the state of California and you can see the outcome of all of their brilliant ideas.

I would like to think (I don't believe they will) that the NCAA will kick them out. A better solution would be for the United States of America to kick them out.
 

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Student athletes are not being exploited... They're given a free education, place to live, and food in exchange for participation in a GAME. Do the universities profit off the games? Sure they do, but the student athletes aren't being exploited. They're getting a chance to show off their skills to have an opportunity to enter the pro sports realm where they can earn MILLIONS. So in essence, they're getting free advertising on top of the free education, room and meals. They have it made. I wish I'd had enough athleticism to be given such a chance.


I agree.
Unfortunately the morons that are pushing for pay do not value education, which is why they are morons, so they just don't grasp the incredible opportunity they have to better their lives way beyond a playing career.

Stupid is stupid and stupid is very fashionable these days
 

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Can of worms. If you pay football players you have to pay girls soccer to. Very few athletic departments operate in the black. Where does the money come from to distribute, Bernie?

That's not how this works unless the schools were directly involved in the payments. These would be kids selling their own likeness rights outside of school. No title IX issues implicated.
 

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There's a reason I don't watch or care anything about the NFL. There's also a reason NFL stadiums are half the size of college stadiums. And there's a reason both continue to lose viewers and appeal. It's becauses the NFL is made up of a bunch of spoiled, me first showboats that don't care a bit about their team or city. Only about how big their pay check is and how much they can market themselves. Look at Jalen Ramsey, Antonio Brown, Le'Veon Bell, as just a few prime examples.

College football has headed in the same direction as the NFL over the last several years and for me it is becoming just as unwatchable as the NFL. Kids don't care a bit about the college and will enter a transfer portal in millisecond if it means they can get a chance at more exposure for themselves. These kids run to the nearest camera and flex every time they make a tackle or catch a pass. If they start paying these clowns I'll be finding something else to watch.

I for one wish college's would tighten up their academic standards for college athletes and get back to having kids that are there to get their degree and show love and support for their school, and not treat college football as some semi-pro league they're forced to play in for 3 years until they can go to the NFL. This is what made college football different from professional football.
 

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Where will the money come from to pay the 2nd tier non-revenue producing sports?

Question - Is this really paying the players or is it more of a "let them earn money off of their likeness and popularity?" type of thing?
I didn't see any mention of colleges actually having to pay athletes... but I may have missed it.


This has been my point all along.

It sounds good to pay the players in revenue sports but how long do you think it will be before the same people squawking about paying football players will be outraged by the sexism involved? Once this occurs it will be the end of college athletics. Only 10-12 athletic programs turn a profit each year now. What will paying the women's Lacrosse team do to that number?
The push for paying players is an offshoot of the push for socialism since that is the basic premise.
 

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So many of you still seem to be living in good ol' days of rah rah team, let's fight fight fight for the old orange and blue. You are living with your head in the sand if you think big time college football exists in this world. Schools and conferences continue to seek the TV $$, more games, games on 9am, games at midnight, games across the country, whatever the networks want. Coaches making $8 mill, assistants making $1 mill +, practice facilities on par with professional teams. Ya, big time college football is still like it was 20+ years ago?! The players, especially the ones that make the foundation of the team, the ones that never see the glory of game day, especially deserve to get paid or get a cut of the action. Its gonna happen, the question for the NCAA is if they want to hit the issue head on or continue to halfheartedly talk about the "student-athlete". I do believe a carefully considered policy could allow athletes to receive some compensation equally across programs.
 

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NCAA will kick them out. Another ill-conceived California initiative.

.01% chance of this being the result. Just destroy the entire PAC 12 and all of its TV rights? The result of that is there is no more NCAA and the Power 5 go it alone. It would be NCAA suicide. Rather, every other state is going to follow California's law. No way a state like Georgia or Alabama will let their football team be disadvantaged. The Carolinas will follow suit for basketball.

I agree.
Unfortunately the morons that are pushing for pay do not value education, which is why they are morons, so they just don't grasp the incredible opportunity they have to better their lives way beyond a playing career.

Stupid is stupid and stupid is very fashionable these days

There are lots of arguments that this is a bad move by California and the wrong result for college sports, but this argument, that the values equate, is nonsense, non-American, and, ironically, "stupid". There is no way Tebow's scholarship was only worth his schooling, books, food, etc. The exposure he received in return was arguably his greatest value from it, but he was restricted from realizing on that value when in school.

The notion that someone has received enough, so they should not get their full worth is antithetical to capitalism and the American dream. Without even looking it up, I'm guessing that while you call this stupid, you are banging the drum against "socialism" in the political forum. It is also ironic, though, that the most socialist state is fighting for individuals to separate themselves from the heard based on gifts they were primarily born with, opposed to earned. Seems like a privilege of birth to run fast or jump high while being 6'3", 240 lbs. Again, I don't care where you fall on the politics, it is just ironic how the different sides have lined up on seemingly the "wrong" or "opposite" side from the rest of their positions.
 

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NCAA will kick them out. Another ill-conceived California initiative.

Its like their energy sector. Sounds great on paper until you consider they have to buy power from other states to meet their base load electricity. And that electricity is produced by coal/nuclear.
Its not like California teams were ever going to be in the NCAA playoffs anyway.
 

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So many of you still seem to be living in good ol' days of rah rah team, let's fight fight fight for the old orange and blue. .
Looks who is back.

I thought you were on Central Michigan boards these days.
 

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Most everything California come up with sounds good on paper but in reality is a sham. Take a look at the state of the state of California and you can see the outcome of all of their brilliant ideas.
Wait til they see the size of the chunk that Kali takes out of that pay.

Guess what, if you are an employee being given free housing, food and clothing that gets taxed too. :lmao2:

Their medical will have to conform to Obamacare. Some Cadillac provisions will be taxed out the ass. They must have deductibles on most things.

They will have to pay SS, unemployment, workers comp.and many other things.

That is just off of the top of my head.

I think the free tuition is still nontaxed.

With Cali's incredible tax rates, they may have to make $150k a year just to break even.
 

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Wait til they see the size of the chunk that Kali takes out of that pay.

Guess what, if you are an employee being given free housing, food and clothing that gets taxed too. :lmao2:

Their medical will have to conform to Obamacare. Some Cadillac provisions will be taxed out the ass. They must have deductibles on most things.

They will have to pay SS, unemployment, workers comp.and many other things.

That is just off of the top of my head.

I think the free tuition is still nontaxed.

With Cali's incredible tax rates, they may have to make $150k a year just to break even.
Maybe CDM is a genius. He saw this coming so he established recruiting out there. Once those kids start weighing taxable income, they’ll flee Cali and income tax free Florida will be waiting with open arms.
 
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