Can you be an Elite Academic Institution and be an Elite Football Program?

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  1. NOLAGATOR

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    Can you name a Modern Elite Academic School that is a consistent Elite Football Program?


    Then name a program that can maintain that status without LARGE Alumni?
     
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    Alumni help more than just football.

    UF is going to to do with the rise to 5 and Mullen.
     
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    Define Elite

    How about Michigan. But they don't really fit the without large alumni requirement.

    I think it's much easier for basketball to do that than football because of the money it takes to run an elite program.
     
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      What’s elite? Right now, only Bama and Clemson fit that description IMO.
       
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        Is Michigan Academically Elite? That's not what comes to mind when I think of Academics. And according to Chatter...I doubt many think Big Blue is still Football Elite.

        I say this because the more a school pushes "Academic Elite" the more the Alumini Changes and so does Booster support.
         
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        If they are being honest with their academic elitism, then no. Because they would force the football players to have 1350+ SAT scores.
         
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          To MJm’s point, what do you do sides elite?


          Stanford and Meatchicken do a damn good job at it.

          Hell, Vanderbilt’s doing a good job at both right now.

          Historically, many great academic institutions have had really good college basketball programs.
           
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          But not football.
           
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          Depends on .your definition of elite. Most of the academically elite schools are private, and don't emphasize athletics to the extent that public schools do.

          https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

          That said, one can be an elite *public* school and have an elite football program. It's harder, but not impossible.

          https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
           
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            I was in the middle of posting the same thing when I saw your post come in. Exactly correct.

            let's look at the AP Final Football Top 20, and see how many are in the Top 20 Public or Private Academic Universities:

            1. Clemson (61) - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            2. Alabama - Public - Academic top 10 - No
            3. Ohio State - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#17)
            4. Oklahoma - Public - Academic top 10 - No
            5. Notre Dame - Private - Academic top 20 - Yes (#18)
            6. LSU- Public - Academic top 20 - No
            T7. Florida - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#8)
            T7. Georgia - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#13)
            9. Texas - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#15)
            10. Washington State - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            11. UCF - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            12. Kentucky - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            13. Washington - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#20)
            14. Michigan - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#4)
            15. Syracuse - Private - Academic top 20 - No
            16. Texas A&M - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            17. Penn State - Public - Academic top 20 - Yes (#20)
            18. Fresno State - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            19. Army West Point - Public - Academic top 20 - No
            20. West Virginia - Public - Academic top 20 - No
             
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              Bama is not even a little bit elite, academically.
               
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                Stanford, Florida, USC & Michigan.
                 
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                  And of those schools the only 2 that i'd say are football elite are UF and Mich. And is 3 NC over a lifetime Elite?

                  Now think about this...How many years has UF been Academically Elite...Not good but Elite?
                   
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                  I am confused?

                  When we broght in Mullen I read a lot of posts stating UF was not an Elite Football Program. We had slipped. And were we Elite (Academically) when SOS was coaching?
                   
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                  Nor is Clemson. I was referring to football.
                   
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                  A 7 of the top 10 public schools have Power 5 FBS teams. Only 2 (UM, UF) are also top 10 in athletic department funding.

                  College Football's Most Valuable Teams: Texas A&M Jumps To No. 1
                   
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                    Power 5 does not = Elite Football

                    Vandy is Power 5 as is GT.

                    And here is STAT for you...UGA's standards for incoming FR is now HIGHER than GT.
                     
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                      I didn't say that Power 5 = elite. It is generally necessary for being considered "elite" overall, though (except for special snowflake ND).

                      My point was that the only 2 academically and athletically elite public schools were also the only 2 academically elite public schools in the top 10 of athletic department funding.
                       
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                      One of the top 5 public inst. in the country
                       
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                      I live in Ga. and have heard of kids getting into Tech, but not Ugh. That never used to happen. BTW - good joke about Tech. It's a STEM school where guys out number gals. So the gals like to say: "The odds are good, but the goods are odd."
                       
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