Colts release Rainey - he rants on Twitter

[MJMGator]

This statement goes too far. Clearly, though, we paid a price for those two NCs from the perspectives of image/standards/character, etc. Two related questions: 1. In this day and age, is it even possible to build a roster at a Power 5 school with high character kids like Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow? 2. If that is even possible today - can you win with them? Or, does each school have to hold their nose and populate rosters with thugs or kids that have no business in college simply to win football (and basketball) games?

Thugs aren't required to win anything other than the Fulmer Cup. The vast majority of kids never get into any trouble and are solid student athletes. If you want to know if championships can be won with those type kids, look no further than what Billy D has done in the last decade. Sure, we've had a few disciplinary issues like a stolen taco and some weed, but I would hardly think those transgressions classify the kids as thugs.

 

[Gator Fever]

This statement goes too far. Clearly, though, we paid a price for those two NCs from the perspectives of image/standards/character, etc.

Two related questions:

1. In this day and age, is it even possible to build a roster at a Power 5 school with high character kids like Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow?

2. If that is even possible today - can you win with them?

Or, does each school have to hold their nose and populate rosters with thugs or kids that have no business in college simply to win football (and basketball) games?

People don't care nearly as much about stuff coming out later as they do the success on the field. People will say the PC line that is expected but how many fans would want to give up those NC's just because some idiots were a big part of it.

 

[sonomagator]

Totally agree with MJM on this. You can play like a complete animal and not be a thug, look at Mike Singletary for one, there a lot of examples out there in all sports.

 

[NavetG8r]

This statement goes too far. Clearly, though, we paid a price for those two NCs from the perspectives of image/standards/character, etc.

Two related questions:

1. In this day and age, is it even possible to build a roster at a Power 5 school with high character kids like Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow?

2. If that is even possible today - can you win with them?

Or, does each school have to hold their nose and populate rosters with thugs or kids that have no business in college simply to win football (and basketball) games?

I don't often defend Dork, but he's right. Every new episode of these former Gators that played under Meyer doing stupid, dangerous, and illegal activities greatly blemish those two NCs in the public's eyes. Thank god Coach Muschamp has cleaned things up around here. If he gets fired at the end of the season or even sooner, I'll still appreciate him for cleaning house like he has.

I don't want to win if it takes cheating and recruiting thugs to do it.

 

[sonomagator]

I don't know anything about the character of your boy, Rainey, but the Colts could really have used his explosiveness in their special teams return game. I wonder as time goes by if Meyer will be remembered more for his bad seeds than NC's.

No, No they don't.Nothing excuses Rainey's behavior or Hernandes' or anyone else's.Winning the super bowl doesn't override or change the fact that Ray Lewis is a murdering scumbag who should be in prison.

 

[sonomagator]

Goes off on Twitter:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11325372/chris-rainey-denies-indianapolis-colts-team-rule-breach

Can't change stupid

 

[Gatorbreath]

This statement goes too far. Clearly, though, we paid a price for those two NCs from the perspectives of image/standards/character, etc. Two related questions: 1. In this day and age, is it even possible to build a roster at a Power 5 school with high character kids like Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow? 2. If that is even possible today - can you win with them? Or, does each school have to hold their nose and populate rosters with thugs or kids that have no business in college simply to win football (and basketball) games?

Thugs aren't required to win anything other than the Fulmer Cup. The vast majority of kids never get into any trouble and are solid student athletes. If you want to know if championships can be won with those type kids, look no further than what Billy D has done in the last decade. Sure, we've had a few disciplinary issues like a stolen taco and some weed, but I would hardly think those transgressions classify the kids as thugs.

Maybe you're right. Our attention is drawn to the sensational - especially in this day and age with social media and 24-hour news cycles. Good stuff is under-reported and bad news is sensationalized and run over and over again (probably because it sells).

That said, I sometimes wonder what percentage of student-athletes would qualify for admission to major colleges on academic and non-athletic extracurriculars alone? Have universities lost focus on their mission?

Full disclosure: I was by no means a model student in college......

Full disclosure 2: I find watching Ivy League football as boring as the next guy, so my ramblings are purely theoretical (thug-away if it brings championships!!!) hahahaha

 

[t-gator]

Muschamp has it so clean? Our freaking best player got hurt yesterday in a team brawl. College kids and young people get into trouble it's not just isolated to players meyer recruited.

 

[Gatorbreath]

Muschamp has it so clean? Our freaking best player got hurt yesterday in a team brawl. College kids and young people get into trouble it's not just isolated to players meyer recruited.

I don't want to get into a Meyer vs. Muschamp thing, but clearly we reached a nadir for thuggery under Meyer - for us, anyway.

Still, there's no disputing his results on the field, for the most part.

 

[GatorFin]

Rainey pulled one of these eh

 

[NavetG8r]

Muschamp has it so clean? Our freaking best player got hurt yesterday in a team brawl. College kids and young people get into trouble it's not just isolated to players meyer recruited.

No, he just had a large number of them when compared to others. Hindsight is 20/20 but you can bet your sweet :moon: he was very well aware of the general character of those individuals when he recruited them.

The brawl last night was nothing unusual in football. Lots of testosterone overflowing and competition for starting positions will spark scuffles. Now, if the fighting continues in recurring practices, then we might have something to get worried about.

 

[oxrageous]

Every new episode of these former Gators that played under Meyer doing stupid, dangerous, and illegal activities greatly blemish those two NCs in the public's eyes.

I couldn't care less about the "public's eyes" - they hated the Gators before, during, and after 2008 - and still do today.

 

[NavetG8r]

I couldn't care less about the "public's eyes" - they hated the Gators before, during, and after 2008 - and still do today.

SOS always said, "If they like you, they're probably beating you". I don't care if people hate us, but I do care about our public image. I don't ever want UF to be known as ThugU like our rivals in the south.

 

[TheDouglas78]

This statement goes too far. Clearly, though, we paid a price for those two NCs from the perspectives of image/standards/character, etc. Two related questions: 1. In this day and age, is it even possible to build a roster at a Power 5 school with high character kids like Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow? 2. If that is even possible today - can you win with them? Or, does each school have to hold their nose and populate rosters with thugs or kids that have no business in college simply to win football (and basketball) games?

Thugs aren't required to win anything other than the Fulmer Cup. The vast majority of kids never get into any trouble and are solid student athletes. If you want to know if championships can be won with those type kids, look no further than what Billy D has done in the last decade. Sure, we've had a few disciplinary issues like a stolen taco and some weed, but I would hardly think those transgressions classify the kids as thugs.

There is also a difference in a 12-15 man roster and filling at 90 man roster. As always a few bad apples is all it takes for a bad reputation.

 

[Gator Fever]

Every new episode of these former Gators that played under Meyer doing stupid, dangerous, and illegal activities greatly blemish those two NCs in the public's eyes.

I couldn't care less about the "public's eyes" - they hated the Gators before, during, and after 2008 - and still do today.

Exactly - I will take the NC's.

 

[WobbleGator]

Owner gets caught drunk driving with enough pills in his car to kill King Kong, nothing happens to him. Player messes around with fire extinguisher, fired.

Players have done far worse than this (ex: Ray Rice) and are still on their teams.

 

[GMDGator]

Owner gets caught drunk driving with enough pills in his car to kill King Kong, nothing happens to him. Player messes around with fire extinguisher, fired.

Players have done far worse than this (ex: Ray Rice) and are still on their teams.

Very true... Probably more to it than a fire extinguisher episode...

 

[GMDGator]

Instead of tweeting about it, file a grievance

 

[Swamp Queen]

Muschamp has it so clean? Our freaking best player got hurt yesterday in a team brawl. College kids and young people get into trouble it's not just isolated to players meyer recruited.

 

[Bernardo de la Paz]

I think one lesson is that when you're trying to make a football team and are already on thin ice, don't be a dumbass. It doesn't seem like that hard of a concept to me. Put down the fire extinguisher and go read a book or something.

Also, ripping an ex-teammate on Twitter is certainly going to show the kind of maturity coaches want to see to give you yet another chance. :rolleyes:

Plus snitches get stitches.