Did Trump Throw His Generals Under The Bus?

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  1. G. Gordon Gator

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    Not me. I don't find it strange. Kind of makes sense actually.
     
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      Should bomb while Kerry is there.
       
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        Iran is struggling to stay afloat. Their money is worthless and the sanctions are making it worse. They need to draw us into a war, it will help them garner support and sympathy from the rest of the world.
         
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        We should still bomb Kerry.
         
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          He should be "allowed" to move over there
           
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            You’re overreacting. ;) Their job was to lay out courses of action (COAs), with pros and cons for each, that achieved the commander’s intent. They did. His job is to make a decision, he did, and the right one. It’s not a bad reflection on the military or him, but idiots will surely say otherwise.
             
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              I wonder what Ilhan Omar would suggest
               
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                As I mentioned earlier in this thread it is the Dems ONLY chance of beating Trump. With the rise in Women and minority voters that support Trump at this point the ONLY thing he could do to lose the election would be to get us into a war......
                 
                • rogdochar

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                  Again ... did not say Trump's decision threw anybody under the bus. The implied disparagement was his public statement that the generals left the room full-set on "bombing" a site, willing to kill. And that he stopped these hawks from doing it. He could have said it better as to how his team may now feel about the "secret meeting' on military matters. Trump could have said "When I heard 150 would be killed, I thought no." He did not need to implicate that "everybody else" was on board for a "deadly missile" strike. That's the part IMO could have been presented better.

                  Trump did decide in brilliant fashion. No chance-start of conflagrations = good.
                  Did Trump make his team look good?
                  So, I was way off. Shouldn't try to tidy up media messages, when big things matter most.
                   
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                    People that are saying to bomb them need to consider this....it was bait and Trump didn't take it....They are at 40% inflation this year and next is going to be higher. It won't be long before their current government is toppled(maybe 1 to 2 years)….
                    After that we'll send in contractors to make 100's of billions rebuilding the sh!thole EXCEPT this time it will be with their(cash holders) money....
                     
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                      You’re message was fine Rog, I understood what you meant.
                       
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                        To me this is good a theory as any to explain their actions. Desperate times call for desperate measures?
                         
                      • rogdochar

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                        Any chance we could support, train, supply hardware etc to "outskirts" ethnic groups which comprise more than 25% of the population? By that combined guerilla warfare plus struggles with students the Persians would be rife enough to fall?
                         
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                        Just saw the clip of his actual interview with Chuck Todd and what Trump said was perfect and he praised the military briefers
                         
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                          It's not as bad as Obama's "red line" gaffe, but it's still not a good look.

                          If this occurred in isolation...sure, exercise some restraint. But Iran attacked tankers in intl waters this week, tried to interfere with our Navy responding to the incident, and was shooting at another surveillance drone (and missed) the day of the tanker attack.

                          In totality: it's time for a response. Otherwise we look weak, timid, and feckless (the same way Obama did when he was tested and prodded by our adversaries and repeatedly backed down).

                          I'm ok with not going in guns blazing *for now*...but Trump needs to publicly tell Iran "ANY further unprovoked attacks--successful or unsuccessful--in the region will be met with severe consequences."
                           
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                            This whole thread sent me twirling. I don't know now if I really saw Trump say "they left the room, I called them back. .... I did experience a weird waking dream that day.
                             
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                            Bloomberg had a decent take that seems to echo what many here are saying:

                            Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

                            There's truth there. But I think Iran's actions DO merit the President publicly telling the world "we exercised restraint this time; but continued aggression will evoke a response." And while Trump normally doesn't like working with the Europeans, now might be a good time to get in their ear with a "told ya so."
                             
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                            Well to the heart of the matter:
                            Trump just showed the world how his U.S.A. is rational and desires peace not war. Other nations and their people are observing Trump. This is a good image.
                            After that, the world knows that there are limits to what we can put up with.... then bang!
                             
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                              In the interview, he said: they briefed, he asked how many casualties, they said they’d get back to him, they came back and told him, he called it off... and he praised their work and them in the comment
                               
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                                Thanks Detroit, for not throwing me under the bus. I apologize, boy, I was way off ... and I'm glad Trump praised his "crew", our crew. Yes, this is a credit to Trump's Presidential wisdom.
                                 

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