Dooley actually works

[VulcanAlex]

Unlike some I still visit the Gator Sports site and I generally think that Pat Dooley should retire. That said he did write two of his best columns recently.

https://www.gatorsports.com/article/20140619/COLUMNISTS/140619621?tc=cr

https://www.gatorsports.com/article/20140618/COLUMNISTS/140619693?tc=cr

Perhaps management has lit a fire under him to do some actually work rather than just finding new music and talking about it.

Bloviate as you will.

 

[cover2]

The first one about college coaches made me think how lucky we were to have one of our own, SOS, coach us so well; but also how it makes being the next guy in line, who isn't an alum, that much more difficult. Meyer, who was very successful here, seemed to eventually melt under the fans' expectations, partly becasue of Spurrier's success and partly becasue he was not really a Florida man IMO. Whether you agree or not, perhaps a combination of getting farther from SOS and having a guy be highly successful will redefine our expectations in terms of where the that guy comes from.

 

[VulcanAlex]

Thanks for the response. I really think that Urban was not mature enough to do the job that he had. He is way too sneaky and really is not that great of a leader. I also think that he had a great staff that contributed greatly to the success that we had in his era. Some of our issues currently are caused by a staff that has not been that great and issues left over from Urban forgetting to keep control of his program in an attempt to continue success with lesser players and coaches.

 

[MJMGator]

I agree that Meyer was probably a little immature during his stint at UF, but there's no denying his ability as a coach. He's got a proven track record for success wherever he's been. Great on-field coach and a good recruiter. Managing a program is where he needs to improve.

 

[TallyGator]

Agree...lack of managing the program was what ultimately drove him out, I believe. How long before troubles mount at OSU and he falls apart again?

 

[WobbleGator]

Agree...lack of managing the program was what ultimately drove him out, I believe. How long before troubles mount at OSU and he falls apart again?

5 years.

 

[VulcanAlex]

I agree but perhaps he has learned better how to act. Talking about your former teams seems to be something I would not do, he has plenty of work to do to meet OSU expectations even with their weak conference.

 

[NavetG8r]

5 years.

Sounds about right to me too. Guy can coach and recruit, but runs out of steam and loses focus in a few years.

Also, anyone care to paraphrase those articles? I really don't want to give GatorSports any clicks after how they treated us.

 

[GatorStud]

GatorSports... what's that? :headshake:

 

[Swamp Queen]

Who is this "Dooley" that you speak of?

 

[t-gator]

I don't get how you guys can say meyer burns out after 5 years. He went 8-5one year. If he was still our coach do you guys honestly think we would have fallen this much? Guys please, the guy won games and left some nfl players on the roster . This isn't a muschamp bashing post I'm just saying how can you say all these bad things about a guy that brought 2 championships and a lot of excitement to uf?

 

[deuce]

I don't get how you guys can say meyer burns out after 5 years. He went 8-5one year. If he was still our coach do you guys honestly think we would have fallen this much? Guys please, the guy won games and left some nfl players on the roster . This isn't a muschamp bashing post I'm just saying how can you say all these bad things about a guy that brought 2 championships and a lot of excitement to uf?

How can I? Easy, he crapped on all of us on his way out. That affects how I feel about him now. Thanks for the wins Urban but "to hell with you!"

 

[alcoholica]

To be fair to Urban, which I hate doing, he had a lot of bad luck in recruiting.It was his own doing really. Where Muschamp's staff has their own criteria, and we see kids pop up on the lists later on, Urban used the services as his guide. Looks like he does the same thing now...print off the recruiting services reports and recruit from there. In his years at UF, Meyer failed to assess character on a lot of kids, but more so, he failed to instill character in kids. At 18 y/o, kids can still see perspective and change. How many of us went to college and came away different people...many times significantly different. Meyer had so many kids transfer or never qualify it was as odd as our injuries last year. Meyers last few classes never really panned out despite lofty rankings, which is abnormal and pretty freakish. This is partly bad luck, but really a lot of lazy work on the recruiting trail. At the end of the day, he's still a son of a bitch

 

[TN G8tr]

I agree with many in regards to Urban on both issues. Yes, he's a helluva coach and I'm extremely thankful for what he achieved for UF. He's also the dude that when the dumpsters got lit on fire, bolted. He can coach, recruit, and be successful. But much of the success should be attributed to his staff while at UF. As much of it should Mullen can be credited for helping Leak and tweaking the offense to help him be successful. Then Charlie Strong. Enough said there. He may do very well at the pOSU but I feel he'll never assemble a staff like that again. And if he does have a weakness in recruiting it assessing the character traits in players. He brought the players to UF. So along comes the attitudes and the behavioral issues. It is what it is. If the kids are going to behave that way he dang sure better be ready to deal with it. At that time it appears he couldn't tackle that issue.

As for Dooley, nothing new to see there. I would suspect that his body of work does not match or meet up to his pay.

 

[VulcanAlex]

Well one article explores the idea that all coaches are just employees and they will behave and follow the money. They are not really Gators and will say and do whatever they think best to move their career forward.

The other had 10 pretty good items from the last year. I do understand those who don't want to associate with the previous site. I try to understand that management is generally idiotic, and there are some good (at least one) people still employed there.

Since there has been an increase in output from Pat (who I greatly dislike as he responded to my criticism with personal attack sort of like L-Boy) I suspect that management has realized that he gets paid for very little of value.

It was mentioned about Urban's staff and the major assistants were mentioned. That staff went much deeper than just two very good ones. We had several position coaches that were very good to excellent.

 

[WobbleGator]

I don't get how you guys can say meyer burns out after 5 years. He went 8-5one year. If he was still our coach do you guys honestly think we would have fallen this much? Guys please, the guy won games and left some nfl players on the roster . This isn't a muschamp bashing post I'm just saying how can you say all these bad things about a guy that brought 2 championships and a lot of excitement to uf?

Because he has not shown he can stay at one program that long. He has a history of skipping out after a short amount of time at a program. No one is bashing his coaching ability because he is one of the best active coaches but he has issues maintaining a program.

 

[MJMGator]

Because he has not shown he can stay at one program that long. He has a history of skipping out after a short amount of time at a program. No one is bashing his coaching ability because he is one of the best active coaches but he has issues maintaining a program.

Exactly. He's like the brightest star in the sky...fades fast.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Yeah, he's a working fool.

This week he's preparing us for our 6-6 season and the berth in the esteemed Liberty Bowl, because Memphis is wonderful in December. I just can't wait.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Who is this "Dooley" that you speak of?

I figured you would like Drooley and Andrieu.

 

[MJMGator]

Yeah, he's a working fool. This week he's preparing us for our 6-6 season and the berth in the esteemed Liberty Bowl, because Memphis is wonderful in December. I just can't wait.

That's all he cares about...what events he gets to attend, how close the hotels are to the venues and what's to eat. I can't believe he draws a paycheck.